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TPS Adjustment / Boosterplug opinions?/ ECU Flash

Hey guys! I'm a subscriber to a Youtuber named Andy Man Cam, a delightful English chap currently living in ye olde Deutschland! I quite enjoy his sense of humour and general outlook on life... He rides a 2007 V650! Makes sense!

Anyways, he has videos where he installs and reviews farkles... One mod he installed particularly interested me.. The booster plug and I was wondering if anyone on here has installed it?


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Cool I have it and like it very much!

I have had it on my 2015 Versys 650 all summer.

I decided to purchase it after having read numerous positive reviews on other forums (UK Versys forum, ADV Rider forum, etc.).

The only negative posts that I have found about it is from people who have never tried it. IMHO these are therefore only opinions ... and I did not want to make my choice based on that.

Would I do it again? In a heartbeat!!! It does everything as described on the Boosterplug website. If you want more specific information, download the FI manual on the website. IMHO it is very well done. It gives an excellent explanation of motorcycle fuel injection.

Note: I have no association with Boosterplug. I'm just a satisfied "user".
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Hey guys! I'm a subscriber to a Youtuber named Andy Man Cam, a delightful English chap currently living in ye olde Deutschland! I quite enjoy his sense of humour and general outlook on life... He rides a 2007 V650! Makes sense!

Anyways, he has videos where he installs and reviews farkles... One mod he installed particularly interested me.. The booster plug and I was wondering if anyone on here has installed it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdkS...4nGFXpjzoldBQV

Cheers for your thoughts and opinions!
andy is a member here FYI , and ya he has a bunch of great vids on the V
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I have had it on my 2015 Versys 650 all summer.

I decided to purchase it after having read numerous positive reviews on other forums (UK Versys forum, ADV Rider forum, etc.).

The only negative posts that I have found about it is from people who have never tried it. IMHO these are therefore only opinions ... and I did not want to make my choice based on that.

Would I do it again? In a heartbeat!!! It does everything as described on the Boosterplug website. If you want more specific information, download the FI manual on the website. IMHO it is very well done. It gives an excellent explanation of motorcycle fuel injection.

Note: I have no association with Boosterplug. I'm just a satisfied "user".

Sounds good so far! Have you noticed a change in your fuel economy? I've heard anecdotally that while the plug injects more fuel, you actually see a small rise in fuel economy for reasons I don't feel like stressing my brain over at the moment.


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Sounds good so far! Have you noticed a change in your fuel economy? I've heard anecdotally that while the plug injects more fuel, you actually see a small rise in fuel economy for reasons I don't feel like stressing my brain over at the moment.
I did not notice any change in the fuel economy. Apparently (as per other reviews) it is very similar.
However I must admit that fuel economy on any of my bikes has never been one of my priorities.
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First the video is not a MK-3 , the MK-3 has a oxygen sensor, really not sure if the video being a UK bike has the oxygen sensor or not. If it had then it would be closed loop the same as the MK-3, since I have done some research into this with the TPS, I can tell you that the huge change adjusting the North American version MK-1 and MK-2 TPS , only changes the fuel economy on the MK-3, no other difference.
I went and did a search, http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ht=boosterplug and no real definitive posting here either.
IMHO a change as has been suggested in this thread http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ates-bike.html to the ECU would be a much better investment.What you get in the booster plug is a external temperature sensor and a scaled input to the ECU to indicate the air temperature is 20 'F cooler, so a sensor, a scaling resistor and some blocking diodes and possibly a chip set, with two plugs.Several ways of accomplishing this. One would be to install a sensor in parallel , scale it to reduce the input resistance value, the second would be to put it in series and scale it.
I just looked at the wiring diagram, identified as #41 , described service manual 3-53.From the manual:
Intake Air Temperature Sensor Resistance
Standard: 5.4 ∼ 6.6 kΩ @0C (32F)
0.290 ∼ 0.390 kΩ @80C (176F)
If the reading is out of the standard, replace the sensor
(see Intake Air Temperature Sensor Removal/Installation).
If the reading is within the standard, but the problem still
exists, replace the ECU (see ECU Removal/Installation).

As you can see, the warmer it is , the lower the resistance, that is, a increase in resistance = a lower temperature.

I just might experiment, total cost about $0.90
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I have the boosterplug, have been using it for 3 days now. Fuel economy has gone up a bit but it does what it promises.
The biggest issue (only) i had with the bike is the digital behaviour of the trottle response. Slow driving has been a bitch because it really acts on and off, like there's hardly anything between the trottle position. So for me it takes off the really sharp edges of the bike. It made my commuting a lot more pleasant.
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I have the boosterplug, have been using it for 3 days now. Fuel economy has gone up a bit but it does what it promises.
The biggest issue (only) i had with the bike is the digital behaviour of the trottle response. Slow driving has been a bitch because it really acts on and off, like there's hardly anything between the trottle position. So for me it takes off the really sharp edges of the bike. It made my commuting a lot more pleasant.
Have you ever done the TPS adjustment that I and many others did? Also do you have a oxygen sensor in your bike, my understanding is it was introduced in the UK in 2010?
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I've had the BoosterPlug for about 6 months on my Gen2. I can say for sure that there is an improvement in throttle control. Almost exactly what Andy describes in his video is my experience. No more burning the clutch to keep smooth roll on the throttle around low speed corners.

However, I have recently noticed poor fuel economy. I don't know if its from the BoosterPlug or not. I really don't keep track of MPG's, especially in town commuting, which is most of my riding. Last weekend I rode over to eastern Oregon and back. I thought I would make the 220mi trip in one tank but was still 40mi from home and down to 1 gal left so I filled up. Turns out I was getting 44mpg. That seems low even with the kind of mountain riding I had done.

I say all that to say, I am going to do some testing and take some numbers with and without the BoosterPlug. Also I am right at 15K so I need to do the valves and sync the throttle bodies. If anything of interest comes up I will post what I find.

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Have you ever done the TPS adjustment that I and many others did? Also do you have a oxygen sensor in your bike, my understanding is it was introduced in the UK in 2010?
Nope, it's a 2008 model and "it" lives in the Netherlands.
I think you mean the vacume trick ?
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Nope, it's a 2008 model and "it" lives in the Netherlands.
I think you mean the vacume trick ?
No I meant the TPS mod, I had a 2007 , huge difference.
http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...?highlight=tps
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I have had it on my 2015 Versys 650 all summer.

I decided to purchase it after having read numerous positive reviews on other forums (UK Versys forum, ADV Rider forum, etc.).

The only negative posts that I have found about it is from people who have never tried it. IMHO these are therefore only opinions ... and I did not want to make my choice based on that.

Would I do it again? In a heartbeat!!! It does everything as described on the Boosterplug website. If you want more specific information, download the FI manual on the website. IMHO it is very well done. It gives an excellent explanation of motorcycle fuel injection.

Note: I have no association with Boosterplug. I'm just a satisfied "user".
Where did you order it from (here in Canada?), and what did it cost?

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First the video is not a MK-3 , the MK-3 has a oxygen sensor, really not sure if the video being a UK bike has the oxygen sensor or not....
I've been under the impression that ALL the "European" Vs are 'closed-loop'....

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Where did you order it from (here in Canada?), and what did it cost?
I ordered it directly from Boosterplug on Ebay on Dec 26, 2016.
It cost me $149.95 USD delivered to my door in Canada.

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I've had the BoosterPlug for about 6 months on my Gen2. I can say for sure that there is an improvement in throttle control. Almost exactly what Andy describes in his video is my experience. No more burning the clutch to keep smooth roll on the throttle around low speed corners.
On my Gen 3 Versys 650, even with a 44T rear sprocket, I can slowly release the clutch without touching the throttle and the bike will advance smoothly without any hiccups, etc. I also tested this while entering my garage where there is a slight uphill slope.

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First the video is not a MK-3 , the MK-3 has a oxygen sensor, really not sure if the video being a UK bike has the oxygen sensor or not. If it had then it would be closed loop the same as the MK-3, since I have done some research into this with the TPS, I can tell you that the huge change adjusting the North American version MK-1 and MK-2 TPS , only changes the fuel economy on the MK-3, no other difference.
I went and did a search, http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ht=boosterplug and no real definitive posting here either.
IMHO a change as has been suggested in this thread http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ates-bike.html to the ECU would be a much better investment.What you get in the booster plug is a external temperature sensor and a scaled input to the ECU to indicate the air temperature is 20 'F cooler, so a sensor, a scaling resistor and some blocking diodes and possibly a chip set, with two plugs.Several ways of accomplishing this. One would be to install a sensor in parallel , scale it to reduce the input resistance value, the second would be to put it in series and scale it.
I just looked at the wiring diagram, identified as #41 , described service manual 3-53.From the manual:
Intake Air Temperature Sensor Resistance
Standard: 5.4 ∼ 6.6 kΩ @0C (32F)
0.290 ∼ 0.390 kΩ @80C (176F)
If the reading is out of the standard, replace the sensor
(see Intake Air Temperature Sensor Removal/Installation).
If the reading is within the standard, but the problem still
exists, replace the ECU (see ECU Removal/Installation).

As you can see, the warmer it is , the lower the resistance, that is, a increase in resistance = a lower temperature.

I just might experiment, total cost about $0.90
Not paying $149 for a $0.90 resistor I am going to assume the temperature sensor is linear. I have calculated that 1 degree F is = to 44 ohms, I am never going to be in a situation where the intake air is 176'F , even if I am idling, so I picked 155'F for a maximum value. I have noticed a marked improvement when the temperature is 60'F or less, pulls better, more responsive, I assumed it was the colder air expanding when heated in the combustion chamber. So I intend to drop the input temperature by 20 'F which is 876 ohms using a 1/4 watt resistor.
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Not paying $149 for a $0.90 resistor I am going to assume the temperature sensor is linear. I have calculated that 1 degree F is = to 44 ohms, I am never going to be in a situation where the intake air is 176'F , even if I am idling, so I picked 155'F for a maximum value. I have noticed a marked improvement when the temperature is 60'F or less, pulls better, more responsive, I assumed it was the colder air expanding when heated in the combustion chamber. So I intend to drop the input temperature by 20 'F which is 876 ohms using a 1/4 watt resistor.
You have the skill set to do it, go for it.
In my case I did not have that skill AND I wanted it NOW. For me, it was and is still well worth it because it's a very easy plug and play install which functions flawlessly. It made my Versys much more enjoyable to ride.

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No I meant the TPS mod, I had a 2007 , huge difference.
http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...?highlight=tps
Ok... that sounds good. Thank you for pointing that out. Any chance the 2 pictures that show the before and after position of the sensor are still to be found somewhere ? I'd sure as hell have a go at it.
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Ok... that sounds good. Thank you for pointing that out. Any chance the 2 pictures that show the before and after position of the sensor are still to be found somewhere ? I'd sure as hell have a go at it.
Unless Invader sees this post, I have done a search, they are all gone, the only one is with his meter doing the measurement of VDC. In reality, using the volt meter is the correct way to go as I bought the optional wire harness and have done this to my 2015. Due to having a oxygen sensor there is no benefit on the 2015 having a closed loop, however on the 2007, before I did it I considered selling the bike after 3 months, after I read the post and moved the sensor, you would have needed to offer me more than I payed for the bike, I sold it in the spring of 2016 and bought the 2015 650 ABS Versys.
So the instructions of using a meter are valid and IMHO the better way to go, 0.010 of a inch can change close to .5 of a volt, it takes very little movement, I suggest getting the optional harness, measure the voltage what you have, thenfollow the instructions in the post. My post is 55 of that link.
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Hey guys! I'm a subscriber to a Youtuber named Andy Man Cam, a delightful English chap currently living in ye olde Deutschland! I quite enjoy his sense of humour and general outlook on life... He rides a 2007 V650! Makes sense!

Anyways, he has videos where he installs and reviews farkles... One mod he installed particularly interested me.. The booster plug and I was wondering if anyone on here has installed it?


Cheers for your thoughts and opinions!
Hi,
I insalled the boosterplug this summer 1 month after buying my versys 2013.
I did not like the ?on/off? feeling of the throttle and, to be honest, I was not very happy with the bike because of that.
Installed the plug and the on/off feeling is now just an old bad memory..
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Cool A few "user" comments

i.e.: riders who have tried it on their bikes.

BoosterPlug is my HERO! Smooth throttle

Boosterplug Review - much smoother biker

Boosterplug. Got one, tried it...

Boosterplug

Product Review BoosterPlug

... and the list of happy users keeps growing ...

As mentioned previously, I have been using it on my Gen 3 650 for this whole season. I only have one regret. I shouldn't have waited until this year. I should have installed it last year.

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