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your help needed,please- TPS isnt working

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my V is on the garage due to mulfunction in the TPS,
they want 1000$ to replace it
can you please direct me to online store that have such part and have world wide shipment ?

im w/o my "legs" now , so any help will be much appritiated
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What's wrong with it? What trouble code did you get? Is it for the main throttle sensor, subthrottle sensor, or the subthrottle valve actuator?

(throttle-bodies/rack assemblies including sensors and actuator):

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trkp...&_sop=15&_sc=1

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=....c0.m270.l1313
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invader ,10X for responding
i moved the subthrottle sensor slightly down ( i think -this is a maching image i found -http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/100/throttlesensors001.jpg/ )
since than i got the FI light on , and got no "auto chock" when starting cold
in the garage my mechanic said that the TPS is not working correctly and i need to order the full TPS kit with the Throttle Bodies. is it reasonable ?
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and if you think i have to get a new one, will the following one fit the V 2009 ?
http://goo.gl/09Bh6

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That would be a subthrottle actuator problem (code # 62).... You're showing the photo of the subthrottle sensor which is above the main throttle sensor. Did you adjust the main throttle sensor first? Subthrottle sensor affects your fast idle when engine is cold... Did you just loosen the screw enough to rotate subthrottle sensor counterclockwise, then turned it back in its original position?

Trouble codes:
11_______ Main throttle sensor
12_______ Inlet air pressure sensor
13_______ Inlet air temperature sensor
14_______ Water temperature sensor
21_______ Crankshaft sensor
24 & 25___Speed sensor (24 then 25, repeatedly)
31_______Vehicle-down sensor
32_______Subthrottle sensor
33_______Oxygen sensor inactive (Europe)
51_______Ignition Coil #1
52_______Ignition Coil #2
56_______Radiator Fan Relay
62_______Subthrottle valve actuator (sensor in range but not responding)
64_______Air switching valve
67_______Oxygen sensor heater (Europe)
94_______Oxygen sensor out-of-range
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i did not touch the main throttle sensor at all, only the subthrottle sensor.
now i understand that i should have turn it back before i went to the mechanic (dang...)
the problem is that now i cannot check if it will solve the problem,because my mechanic took apart the swinging element (2 metallic circle in the Throttle Bodies )
he did it so i will be able to ride until i decide if i wonna buy the full TPS kit.
i am worry because he didnt connect any comp` to check the code.
maybe i should try another mechanic ?
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Is the green reference mark on subthrottle sensor back in line in its original position now? Can you adjust it back and try it? The removed subthrottle plates are not needed, even for a normal fast idle.
If it's still not right, try disconnecting subthrottle sensor (upper black TPS), turn ignition on for at least 4 seconds, turn ignition off, reconnect subthrottle sensor and clear the codes again by disconnecting battery. Also make sure battery has a good charge. Reconnect battery and see what happens.

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ok
ill check it first thing in the morning.
thanks a lot , ill keep update
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Is the green reference mark on subthrottle sensor back in line in its original position now? Can you adjust it back and try it? The removed subthrottle plates are not needed, even for a normal fast idle.
If it's still not right, try disconnecting subthrottle sensor (upper black TPS), turn ignition on for at least 4 seconds, turn ignition off, reconnect subthrottle sensor and clear the codes again by disconnecting battery. Also make sure battery has a good charge. Reconnect battery and see what happens.
Hi.Invader
i did the above, it still the same
the V is working ,but w/o chock in cols start ( i keep it manually a minute) and the FI is with amber light.
the green mark is in line as original.
any other issue ? should i just take it to other garage with the V computer to check the code ?
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It's not a choke, but rather the subthrottle valve actuator servo shaft cam (visible on right side, close to idle adjustment screw) that opens the main throttle for a fast idle... So I guess your subthrrottle valve actuator is not cycling when you turn ignition on, as it can normally be heard rotating open and shut once before you start engine?
A few others have had an actuator failure before, which is only avalable with the complete throttle bodies assembly.

You can read your FI trouble code(s) youself. Under the seat, along the right sub-frame rail is an orange/black wire with a bullet connector. This is the self-diagnosis terminal. In order to read out the CURRENT Service Codes (MODE 1), ground that wire with the KEY ON. The FI light will begin to flash codes. There will be a 5 second delay and then the codes begin. The first flash is always a LONG (1 sec) followed by either LONG or SHORT (0.5 sec) flashes. LONG flashes indicate TENS and short flashes ONES. One LONG followed by two SHORT = 12. Two LONG, one SHORT = 21. Three LONG, two short = 32, etc. There is an interval of 1.5 seconds between TENS and ONES. There is a 3 second interval between codes.

To recover codes set in memory (MODE 2); KEY ON, touch the self-diagnosis terminal rapidly to ground more than 5 times within 2 seconds. The lead must remain grounded (after 5 groundings) for the remainder of the diagnostic session. The codes will readout exactly as in MODE 1.
To clear codes from the ECU, pull the clutch in for more than 5 seconds.
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happy end

HI
happy end, the other mechanic fix the froblem, he said that the "step sensor" that in carge of open/close more air, was out of sync.because i playd with the subthrottle sensor.
he wouldn`t let me look how he fixed it, (pro secret...)
no parts replaced !, now ,the FI it off ,but sometimes it light for a second whan reaching high speed (over 90M/H ) but i dont feel changes in the behaviour.so i don`t care so much...
Invader - very much for doing your best to assist, its good to have you here with the forum members

have a gr8 weekend
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The "step sensor" is actually the subthrottle sensor. Its function is to monitor subthrottle opening which also controls fast idle.

Since your FI lamp lit for a moment, there is a trouble code stored in memory. It likely is for the subthrottle valve actuator which may be on its way out. What's your mileage? Have you (or possibly previous owner) washed it with high pressure water, particularly above the throttle bodies on the right side?
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what do you guys use to ground the self diagnosis terminal?

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i am with 25KKm.
i never washed it with high pressure ,maybe the first owner did, but if it was the problem i could see it from day one...
invader - what do you mean "It likely is for the subthrottle valve actuator which may be on its way out" ?
the FI lite only on high speeds in 5th\6th gear and over 6KRPM, and if i close the throttle slightly, the lite goes off.
the bike is running fine, so i am not so worried
but its annoying cause i paid 200$ for the fix.(which is better than 1K$ for replacing the complete throttle bodies assembly)
any ideas what can cause it or how to solve it ?
now i am afraid to even sneeze near the sensor... after the heartache i got when this problem starts...
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Check your FI code stored in memory. It probably is code 62 for your subthrottle valve actuator. How is your cold fast idle now? Is your normal idle set to 1300 rpm?
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the cold start is ok
the idle after warming up is ~1200 rpm
can you please explain the meaning of "the subthrottle valve actuator which may be on its way out" from your previous note ?
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I'm saying that your subthrottle valve actuator may be starting to fail.

Which part of the planet are you on?
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