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Valve check report

Just had valves checked and new air filter today at 17,850 miles.
Valves were all on spec...
so...$170 air filter.
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So valve check was less than 170? My dealer wants to charge like 400 for the valve check.
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I do it on mine for free. Air filter can also be cleaned and re-oiled instead of replaced.
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How long does it take you invader? Start to finish?
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So valve check was less than 170? My dealer wants to charge like 400 for the valve check.
We have a good local mechanic and we take our bikes there all the time. My boyfriend also had some stuff done on his bike so he worked out a package deal
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If you can change the spark plugs you can do a valve check. If you dont break a spark plug like I did the check should take about 60 minutes more than the plug replacement. Add another 60-90 for replacement of shims that are out of tolerance. I have a long thread about my ordeal, but even after my troubles I would say don't pay to have it done, do it yourself.

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How long does it take you invader? Start to finish?
I don't time myself. I just do it as well and meticulously as possible over the long winter months. I take extra time to clean out all the crevaces and stagnant oil out of it, clean the rust off PAIR steel tubes then lightly coated with high heat anti-seize compound. I thinned down some original shims by hand on wet emery cloth, and switched some around to have them all at 0.18mm inlet and 0.26mm exhaust. Reassemble with oil on moving parts, gap and index spark plugs, etc...
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We have a good local mechanic and we take our bikes there all the time. My boyfriend also had some stuff done on his bike so he worked out a package deal
Wow, so you're a girl on a white Versys? Cool.

Did you get a chance to know what your valve clearance measurements were at?
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I don't time myself. I just do it as well and meticulously as possible over the long winter months. I take extra time to clean out all the crevaces and stagnant oil out of it, clean the rust off PAIR steel tubes then lightly coated with high heat anti-seize compound. I thinned down some original shims by hand on wet emery cloth, and switched some around to have them all at 0.18mm inlet and 0.26mm exhaust. Reassemble with oil on moving parts, gap and index spark plugs, etc...
Could you please explain Index Spark Plug ..Thank you,

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If you can change the spark plugs you can do a valve check. If you dont break a spark plug like I did the check should take about 60 minutes more than the plug replacement. Add another 60-90 for replacement of shims that are out of tolerance. I have a long thread about my ordeal, but even after my troubles I would say don't pay to have it done, do it yourself.
I'm not sure I have the confidence to do it myself.

LOL!! The thread title..."how have I screwed it up" doesn't make me feel much better about trying it!

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Indexing

Indexing spark plugs generally refers to using shims under the spark plug so when it is torqued properly the electrode is facing a direction as to give maximum exposure of the spark to the fuel mixture. This is done mostly on race vehicles and I don't bother with it myself.
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Indexing isn't really advantageous on 4 valve engines because of the central plug location. It's more important on engines with the plug on one side of the chamber.

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When I did the valves on my '08 at 21,000 miles, NOT counting going to the dealer to get some shims (NEXT time I'll do what "Invader" does and 'work' them down on emery paper) carrying my metric caliper to check ACTUAL sizes (which were OFF considerably from advertised sizes...!), probably took 3 hours, but I'm pretty anal.

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Spark Plug Indexing

As Pete said above, Spark Plug Indexing on a 4-valve head won’t make a perceptible difference.

IMO things like this are “Mechanic's Masturbation”. It can feel good to do it, it won’t harm anything... but when it’s done, it won’t produce any real world consequence either

I do admire Invader’s attention to detail though. He sure does strive for perfection...
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As Pete said above, Spark Plug Indexing on a 4-valve head won’t make a perceptible difference.

IMO things like this are “Mechanic's Masturbation”. It can feel good to do it, it won’t harm anything... but when it’s done, it won’t produce any real world consequence either

I do admire Invader’s attention to detail though. He sure does strive for perfection...
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The 10mm plugs used in my Ducati have TWO side electrodes......

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I think 10mm spark plugs with 2 ground electrodes (NGK CR9EK, Denso U27ETR) are not available with an iridium center electrode.
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just doing mine right now and it's a good thing. Two of the exhaust valves were tight by .15, one was tight by .05 and all the others were spot on including all intake valves. Kind of easy if you're not scared and don't need the bike right a way. That takes a lot of pressure off.

Kind of crappy that there is no numbers on the shims and my micromiter is crap. At least I only need 3 of them and all are on the same cam so only one had to come out.

I did notice that the O-ring on the cam chain tightener is going so this saves me an oil leak.

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I think 10mm spark plugs with 2 ground electrodes (NGK CR9EK, Denso U27ETR) are not available with an iridium center electrode.
Actually, it's NGK MAR10A-J. And it's conventional. Doesn't matter because the valve lash needs to be checked and belts changed every 7500 mi, and they get replaced then.

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Time for valve check.

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How long does it take you invader? Start to finish?
Probably two and a half hours. Maybe less, I have gotten fast at it.

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ttpete;....are we still talking VERSYS.....or has a Ducati reared its ugly head ? ?

....belts, dual electrode plugs....say it aint so

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