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Oil thickness for higher temps ????

I know oil threads are lame but...
I recently moved BACK to Florida from Colorado. Gulf Coast temps close to 90F today. I refer to the manual and see that my 08 Versy could use a thicker oil due to "atmospheric conditions in your riding area" (page 101 in Versys owners manual) I currently am running 10W40. Temps here rarely dip below 60F most of the year and often go into the triple digits. The head tech at local "big four franchise" says, and I quote "Water cooled motorcycle engines always maintain a constant temp due to water cooling so their is no need to change to 20W40 or 20W50, (as the manual suggests) stick with 10W40" I find this questionable. If that were the case, Why the Temp and Viscosity chart in the owners manual?
I cant help but think my beloved red V would benefit from a thicker oil in this heat! FEEDBACK PLEASE
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Yeah 10W-40 is fine. Synthetic would be good. What oil are you using, exactly?
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I use Golden spectro or the "Hondaline" stuff
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It may be heresy to say, but I always choose the thinnest oil that is manufacturer recommended for the environment my machines are in. I can demonstrate actual fuel efficiency increases when doing so in my four-wheeled conveyances. Also, I have never had an engine fail due to a tribological mishap and I basically drive everything until it falls apart (with the exception of two vehicles that did not fit our growing family anymore).

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I think you would be good with either.
I run Rotella T6 5W-40W year round in my V... and where I live (and ride) the temps can vary as much as 100 degrees! (low teens in the winter at my house to 115 degrees on a trip to Arizona last summer)
Having said that, I have run 20W-50W in the past during the summer months when it rarely gets below 60 and the highs average between 90-100...just makes me feel better having thicker oil in there when it is so hot and I don't have cold start up concerns. I don't think it matters to the bike.

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Most 20w-50 oil will shear down very quickly to 10w-30 in less than 1500 miles in many test. Best resource for oil is www.bobistheoilguy.com

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Mineral oils will shear down to a lower viscosity grade, especially the multigrades that uses more Viscosity Index Improvers. (15W40 has lower VII content than 10W40). Use 15W40 if u prefer the 40 weight oils for Semi/Mineral, as it won't thin down as fast. The problem with producing mineral oils is that they start with a 10W as an example and add VII to make it a '40' when heated up. When the VII gets depleted, your multigrade gets to a xW30 or xW20.

The V manuals indicate up to 40 Deg C or 104F for 10W40 oils. Any higher temperature, a xW50 is applicable. For best results, fully synthetic works best, but not so good for the pocket.

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I think you would be good with either.
I run Rotella T6 5W-40W year round in my V... and where I live (and ride) the temps can vary as much as 100 degrees! (low teens in the winter at my house to 115 degrees on a trip to Arizona last summer)
Having said that, I have run 20W-50W in the past during the summer months when it rarely gets below 60 and the highs average between 90-100...just makes me feel better having thicker oil in there when it is so hot and I don't have cold start up concerns. I don't think it matters to the bike.
+1 on the Rotella. This stuff is deigned to handle diesel truck engines that run all day long. The duty cycles and frequency that we change our oil means that it is hardly broken in when we change it out.

Plus its $19 a gallon at wal-mart ;-)

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FWIW, I use Rotella in everything.
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Rotella 15W40 in summer 5W40 in winter ... Either would be fine year round, but the 5W40 warms faster in winter here ... I like warm oil before I take off ... Plus running the 15W40 in summer is cheaper 12.50 a gallon vs. 19.50 a gallon for the 5W40 ... I change oil every 1500 mi and filter every 3,000 so I like the low cost

I have been using Rotella since 2003 in bikes and atv's ... before that I used Honda or Golden Spectre

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Been using Mobil1 car synthetic 15w-50 in BOTH my Vs, and my KLR, for years.
Change it and the filter after 5,000 miles or 8,000 kms. YRMV.

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Wish I could get Rotella T6 (aka Rimula T6) in where I stay. The best HDEO oil is Semi-Synthetic and is not even CI-4 Plus from Shell.

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"Double Ester Technology for Motorcycle Engine".
This technology made possible to spur on an optimum output by reducing the friction of the oil film while maintaining stable oil pressure.
On the other hand, the slippage of the clutch system is minimized by the increased friction between the clutch plates, this then enables the power output to be increased at the rear tire. Improved power output and more reliability at the same time.

15W50 is for race engines running at very high temperature & rpm, speed/endurance/motocross, optimum performance during the race.

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Synthetic 10w-40-motorcycle oil will be best. You can go with a higher viscosity but that will cost you efficiency (power, mileage). You can go with non-synthetic if you are going to do <1500 mile oil changes.


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Fasto, I presume u are using the 300V. How much in RM are you paying for a liter?

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Fasto, I presume u are using the 300V. How much in RM are you paying for a liter?
RM 45.00 not sure, just dont keep tap on prices.

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I've ridden some of my bikes hard on the track in mid 90's and humidity to match. Redline or Amsoil full synthetic 10w-40, nothing else is needed. That oil will hold up.


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Mobil 1 15w-50 in BOTH of mine.

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For some reason around here Mobil 1 15w-50 has been very hard to find. In the Versys I've been using Rotella 15w-40.

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