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Can you set the bead of new tire with HAND pump?

The "do you mount your own tires" thread made me think of this:

When you change your own tires, is it possible to set the bead when inflating with a hand pump (bicycle pump)?

I suspect that air will leak out too fast to keep up with a hand pump and that you need an air compressor, but I thought I'd ask the collective...
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I was never able to... I use an air compressor....

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That would have to be a mighty powerful hand pump!

I say, no way.

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Possibly. Bead has to be seated to hold air even with a compressor.
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I did it several times on my K100 Beemer. Depends on whether the tire's been squashed sitting in the warehouse. Some tire companies put cardboard spacers between the beads to prevent this.

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Also, a 160/70 rear will be easier than a narrower 150/70... Continental's Trail Attack 150/70 is relatively wide and is recommended for rim of up to 4.5" like on Versys, compared to relatively narrow Pirelli Scorpion Trail 150/70.
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I've been mounting Bridgestone BT016's the last couple of times and it takes nearly 70 psi to set the bead on the rear. That may be possible with a really good hand pump...

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Yes, bicycles run up to over 100 psi. It'll take many pump shots... Great workout.

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Try a tie down strap wrap it around the center of tire and crank it down.this will work with the back tire but the front probably not wide enough. This is used by people mounting huge 33 inch truck tires the goal is to get the bead of the tire to push up against the rims edge and form a minimal seal to allow air to hold in the tire
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When you change your own tires, is it possible to set the bead when inflating with a hand pump (bicycle pump)?
I have successfully seated the bead on both my front and rear wheels (with a stock size front tire and a 150 rear tire) using a small ratchet strap and a manual bicycle pump (floor style).

I also experimented, as was able to seat the bead on my rear tire using an actual "hand" (mini pump that would normally attach to a bicycle frame) pump and the same ratchet strap. I did this in preparation for a big trip last summer (the mini-pump is what I carried along). And I did use it once, after fixing a flat.

However, I was NOT able to seat the bead on my front wheel with a manual pump, when I put a 130/80 tire on my front wheel. In fact, I had to take it to the shop and they had trouble getting it to seat -- it was an Anakee II. It was quite stiff, and needed a really large shot of air to seat it. In the future I may try the starter fluid method, on this combo, as a trucker told me that it is all he uses to seat the bead on his really stiff truck tires.
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Ether or starting fluid....can seat a bead but you need to be careful. I have done it a few times on large 4x4 tires out in the middle of no where but its not a preferred method. On a motorcycle I would be concerned about damaging the tire. Large truck tires are very heavy and have thick sidewalls compared to a motorcycle.
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Before mounting a tubless motorcycle tire, it helps to spread the bead with cardboard spacers, and then warm up the tire by either putting it on the dashboard of a car that is parked in the sun, with the windows rolled up, or if its cold out, put the new tire in front of a heat vent in your house, and cover it with a blanket or tarp, turn up the thermosat, and let it warm up about an hour or so. [Mmmmm, it make the house smell like fresh warm rubbery tires...] Then mount it before it cools.
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Sauna works well to heat up new tires... You could also put in in your bathtub filled with only hot water.
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Using a ratchet strap has prevented the use of many 4 letter words over the years.
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Ether or starting fluid....can seat a bead but you need to be careful. I have done it a few times on large 4x4 tires out in the middle of no where but its not a preferred method. On a motorcycle I would be concerned about damaging the tire. Large truck tires are very heavy and have thick sidewalls compared to a motorcycle.
When the bicycle tire pump just won't cut it.......

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Changed and balanced the rear tire of my Versys yesterday, I'm all proud of myself.

The hand pump worked fine for setting the bead, thanks for the tip on the strap around the circumference.
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