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Brake pads - is there a difference in brands?

From what I have read sintered brake pads seem to offer the best performance for street riding. I see there are several companies that make "sintered" type brake pads for the Versys. My question is there much a difference between the products of the same type, when they all use the similar technology. Are there other brands I should consider?

In past bikes I have installed EBC HH sintered pads on 2 previous bikes and noticed a noticeable improvement in lever feel. Less initially grabby but with a more linear relationship in rotor grip to lever pressure which I feel can make them easier to modulate in more extreme braking. As advertised the EBC HH pads are sintered ( composted of metal particles squeezed together under extreme pressure ) but so are a few other brands like Bike Master and DP that claim to be made the same way. DP pads are almost the exact same price as EBC HH while the Bike Master brand is considerably cheaper. My question is, is it simply a mater of paying more for a brand name or is there any real difference? With Bike Master, I would assume they have someone making pads for them as they sell everything from brake levers to 12V accessory sockets under that brand name although I have been happy with the quality of other products I have bought from them. Right now my belief is that I can get the same performance as EBC and save some money with Bikemaster, is my thinking correct?


Prices (in CDN dollars, for right and left brake pad sets for front wheel of Versys)

$78.02 https://fortnine.ca/en/bikemaster-sintered-brake-pads
$102.24 https://fortnine.ca/en/dp-brakes-sta...tal-brake-pads
$107.06 https://fortnine.ca/en/ebc-double-h-sintered-brake-pads

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I don't really ride hard enough to make a difference. I use sintered metallic on the front and buy somewhat by price, but prefer brand names. The metallics seem to be hard on rotors and noisy scratchy sounding until quite warm. Braided lines and keeping clean fluid make the most difference. I use organic low price on the rear. Organics seem less hard grabbing and make it more difficult to lock the rear. I have never had a bike with ABS. I've also haven't had the V long enough to take it on a fully loaded trip. So our more sporting riders will have their favorites, our high mileage full load tourers may differ in their choices. Compared to the drum brakes we had 50+ years ago just about any disc pads make me happy. This thread will prolly go like an oil or tire thread; many valid experienced opinions, not much consensus.

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I went with the Vesrah Sintered Metal Pads on my 09. Was real happy with them.....catalog
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I don't really ride hard enough to make a difference. I use sintered metallic on the front and buy somewhat by price, but prefer brand names. The metallics seem to be hard on rotors and noisy scratchy sounding until quite warm. Braided lines and keeping clean fluid make the most difference. I use organic low price on the rear. Organics seem less hard grabbing and make it more difficult to lock the rear. I have never had a bike with ABS. I've also haven't had the V long enough to take it on a fully loaded trip. So our more sporting riders will have their favorites, our high mileage full load tourers may differ in their choices. Compared to the drum brakes we had 50+ years ago just about any disc pads make me happy. This thread will prolly go like an oil or tire thread; many valid experienced opinions, not much consensus.
What brand of metallic pads are you using? I respectfully disagree with a few of your points based on my prior experience.

1) One of the advertised (by most manufactures) advantages of sintered pads over organics is they are more consistent with regard to differences in temperature from hot to cold and also wet and dry. They do not benefit from warm up unlike organic pads, they perform the same cold or hot, and they are less likely to fade with heat. Can't say I've really noticed much difference in temperature but I don't ride that hard although they do grip better when really wet.

2) With regard to feel, the two installs of sintered pads I've had, have considerably reduced braking force at initial application of the brakes (they're less grabby than organic pads) which makes them more linear in feel wrt lever or pedal pressure. Any brake pad can lock the wheel easily, the difference is in how they respond to lever or pedal pressure. I feel this characteristic is especially advantageous at the rear where it is harder to modulate pressure with your foot than hand and thus it is less likely to lock the rear wheel under harder braking. The more linear feel of sintered pads, at least after you get used to them, allows me to brake closer to the limit without feeling I may accidentally lock the wheel.

3) As for noise I have never experienced squealing or annoying brake sound on any bike with any pads. The sintered pads however do have a distinct very faint sound I would compare to a distant field of chirping crickets.

4) Wear, while sintered pads do apparently wear rotors faster they also last longer. I have not noticed the rotor wear to be significant enough to notice wear on the rotors. Whatever pads you choose, the rotors should theoretically last the life of the bike unless riding track or some other unusual usage.

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I'm not seeing any areas of disagreement. You have added your impressions in a more detailed fashion.

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