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aligning the wheel

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I have an 08 versy. Im quite a novice when it comes to chain adjustment/wheel alignment so bare with me. I used a digital caliper to measure each side of the wheel. Right behind those alignment blocks. With the caliper I measured 6.61mm on left side and 5.87mm on the rght. Am I close enough or does it need to be equal on both sides?

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How is the caliper supposed to help you align the rear wheel? Use a straight edge on the rear sprocket, along the length of the chain.
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Why not just use the notches built into the swingarm and the blocks? Thats what they were put there for.
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The notches on the swing arm are sometimes off. Mine were on my 09. I use a Motion Pro Chain Alignment Tool...

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Why not just use the notches built into the swingarm and the blocks? Thats what they were put there for.
Funny enough there are no notches on the left block. There are on the right block and on both sides of the swingarm.
That's why i was using the caliper to measure. I guess that's the wrong method in doing so.
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measuring like that that will work if the slots are the same distance from the swing arm pivot point. you can measure to the pivot to check, or I suppose you could use the straight edge method on the chain, then verify that the slots are equal (or not)

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The notches on the swing arm are sometime off. Mine were on my 09. I use a Motion Pro Chain Alignment Tool...

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This is what I use and have had great success, the marks on my 08 are off.
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Funny enough there are no notches on the left block. There are on the right block and on both sides of the swingarm.
That's why i was using the caliper to measure. I guess that's the wrong method in doing so.
The left block is turned around if you want it right take the axle out and turn the block around.
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This is what I use and have had great success, the marks on my 08 are off.
That tool Joe has in his pic is only $15. The angle you are looking for (to straighten out) if from the top of the rear chain sprocket towards the front sprocket.

It's almost a good reason to have a separate hugger and chain guard so you can see the critical chain angle above the rear sprocket more easily (2 less hard-to-get-to screws.)
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That tool Joe has in his pic is only $15. The angle you are looking for (to straighten out) if from the top of the rear chain sprocket towards the front sprocket.

It's almost a good reason to have a separate hugger and chain guard so you can see the critical chain angle above the rear sprocket more easily (2 less hard-to-get-to screws.)
I have a skidmarx hugger, and have that tool, and NEVER remove the hugger. Put the bike in gear, 2 or 3, move bike forward to tension slack side of chain, mount tool on bottom. When engine braking this is the driven side, same alignment as top of chain, if the top is out, so will be the bottom.

Chain tool is designed to mount on both sides.
What really helps is if you have a lift or don't need trifocals to see.

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...Am I close enough or does it need to be equal on both sides?...
The chain needs to be aligned, and that's NOT the right way to do it.

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Why not just use the notches built into the swingarm and the blocks? Thats what they were put there for.
On my '08 when I got the same tool that weljo showed, it took 2.3 turns of one adjuster to get it right (that was from being EQUAL both sides vis a vis those marks on the swingarm). Since then I 'dimpled' the adjusters at the correct adjustment, and 'double-dimpled' the nut a half-turn away. Here's the difference NOW, side-to-side, reference the marks.




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hmm weird, my blocks on my 09 seem to work just fine. but I noticed your blocks are different than mine
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hmm weird, my blocks on my 09 seem to work just fine. but I noticed your blocks are different than mine
And when several people that had blocks like yours, started complaining their chain was failing, and they aligned each side identical-----Fasteddie came along and explained why their chain was failing--

My 07, the notches are off by .060 on one side, I use the motion pro tool, and don't even look at the notches, BTW a misaligned chain also affects tire wear and handling.

But, if you are over 30,000 miles on your original chain then keep doing what you are doing.It is your bike, we just talk from past experience on this forum.
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Just a follow up on my dumb question thread. I ordered the motion pro alignment tool.
Now as far as the rear castle nut is concerned, its torque value is 80 ft lbs...i know that much but when I did just that with a torque bar, The rear tire was way too tight and wouldn't free spin with the bike up....thoughts?
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Make sure the spacers are in the right way and the caliper in its slot before tightening it up... Mine has to be ahead on the right by 1/2 the distance between two lines (2.5mm) to be properly aligned.
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And when several people that had blocks like yours, started complaining their chain was failing, and they aligned each side identical-----Fasteddie came along and explained why their chain was failing--

My 07, the notches are off by .060 on one side, I use the motion pro tool, and don't even look at the notches, BTW a misaligned chain also affects tire wear and handling.

But, if you are over 30,000 miles on your original chain then keep doing what you are doing.It is your bike, we just talk from past experience on this forum.
Likewise, never trusted the markers.

Line up with my eye then a straight edge. Might invest in that tool though.
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Just a follow up on my dumb question thread. I ordered the motion pro alignment tool.
Now as far as the rear castle nut is concerned, its torque value is 80 ft lbs...i know that much but when I did just that with a torque bar, The rear tire was way too tight and wouldn't free spin with the bike up....thoughts?
Torque bar? Is that a torque wrench? Not being smart just making sure we are speaking about the same tool?



If your doing it right (torque) and it is binding something else is wrong. Make sure your spacers are in the correct order, bearings greased, clean and not worn, chain is clean, lubed and aligned and brakes are good (not binding).

BTW the only dumb question is the one not asked.
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Torque bar? Is that a torque wrench? Not being smart just making sure we are speaking about the same tool?
Correction. Yep thats what I was referring to.
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fun little time saver tip also - once you get the chain aligned properly the first time, you can use nail polish or similar to make your own alignment mark on the blocks to save time later.
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That tool Joe has in his pic is only $15. The angle you are looking for (to straighten out) if from the top of the rear chain sprocket towards the front sprocket.

It's almost a good reason to have a separate hugger and chain guard so you can see the critical chain angle above the rear sprocket more easily (2 less hard-to-get-to screws.)
works fine with my Pyramid hugger & also works if you mount it at the 6:00 locatiion
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