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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 07-22-2015, 02:04 PM Thread Starter
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I had my second test ride on the 2015 V 1000 a few days ago. This time I was wearing the right boots and boy did I have fun.

The dealer let me take it for an extended period, so I did some expressway riding for about 20 miles, then some twistys for about 4 miles.

I have to say, I am falling in love with this bike. It's so smooth and powers up effortlessly.

I've been a straight up cruiser guy my whole riding duration. I like sport bikes, but not the riding position (preference). I've been getting new bikes every two to four years out of boredom.

My wife has the Kawi 500 with the ninja motor and six speed trans. Every time I ride her bike, I feel like I am actually riding, powering in and out of turns etc. It is actually fun to ride and it moves pretty well also. I have a big grin after riding her bike. It reminds me of why I started riding a bike in the first place. We are about to upgrade her to a black Vulcan S.

I am so bored with lugging along on bigger heavier cruisers. For several years now, the sport/touring, adventure/touring type bikes have been appealing to me. When I saw the V, I had to check it out. I know metrics well, since I've owned many through the years, including several Kawi's. I was excited to check out a whole new kind of bike than what I am used to.

On this second test ride, I had the shield adjusted all the way up. The bike is eerily quite up until about 48 mph. Not used to the quite, but it was refreshing. At 48 mph, I began to experience some wind noise and turbulence.

Wondering if the Puig shield or something else would help alleviate this? I couldn't even hear the engine revving because the wind was so loud. I like to hear what the r's are doing while I am riding. I do appreciate the tachometer, but I still like to hear the engine. (Side note: maybe get a new can).

The other thing I noticed is the grips are smaller than what I am used too, but I can fix that by adding sleeves or changing them out. Also, the OEM pegs have to go and I will probably lower them.

The last thing is, the bars are a little far apart for my comfort zone. I was wondering if anyone has cut an inch or so off the ends of the bars to bring them in some? My arms are a little too straight when riding and I began to experience some fatigue after a bit.

I have a quote from one dealer and am now waiting for one other dealer to give me their quote. By weeks end I will be purchasing the V without a doubt. Loving the black, but I think I've owned too many all black bikes. Will probably go with the orange and black this time.

This is a lot of bike for the money IMO and I am loving it.

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
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post #2 of 36 (permalink) Old 07-22-2015, 03:25 PM
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I don't know anything about the 1000's. Heck, my 650 is still brand spankin new.

Most folks are not fond of the stock shield on the 650, so they grab something after-market. Here lies the catch, I don't want buffeting but I do want as much air moving through my mesh as I can get. The MRA Vario fits the bill for this, for me.

Some prefer even less wind. You can do a search on wind screens until you find a post where the OP voices your preferences.

Grip size can be resolved with sleeves. I just installed a set of Grip Puppies today and my big meat hooks like the increased diameter.

I don't have my bike here to look at but I believe that the bend in the '2014 bars has enough to knock off 3/4- 1 ". Assuming the bar end design remained the same, this will cause a problem as there is a nut welded inside that secure your bar ends. A quick trip to ebay can nab you some after market ends that use the swell piece to secure inside the bar.

The Versys line is well-loved. One of the reasons is that its simple design allows each rider to customize and fit to their particular taste. We don't have Harley and Gold Wing options, but enough to make it a phenomenal bike for 95% of the owners.

Good luck with your quote. Hopefully you'll be on the road soon......and like the rest of us, helping the accessory companies to pay the light bill.

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You can't even test ride a Vs. 650 from a dealer.

Dealers letting you take extended drives on the V1K brick should tell you something. The Vs. 650 is the hot model that handles too. Of course if you tour two up, I could understand a brick: but not if you understand the correlation between safety and handling and fun.

The V1K is the same old same old brick model with no fixed overhead expended for new equipment. It has some interesting features, but a brick is a brick is a brick. Put those features on a good handling model. Bricks are just pure profit for all the Jap bikes, BMW, and anyone else who makes them (those are the big brick builders though.) HD does the same old model, so does BMW, and so does Jap bikes: I don't like any of the HD twins, or 4 cylinder bricks - they are for straight away driving only. Yahoo!

The V1K's power is effortless, but not the handling on tight corners: it's still a brick. At least HD's will split lanes because they are loud, where as bricks riding on the yellow lines with all that power and weight is just plain crazy. ymmv
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You can't even test ride a Vs. 650 from a dealer.

Dealers letting you take extended drives on the V1K brick should tell you something. The Vs. 650 is the hot model that handles too. Of course if you tour two up, I could understand a brick: but not if you understand the correlation between safety and handling and fun.

The V1K is the same old same old brick model with no fixed overhead expended for new equipment. It has some interesting features, but a brick is a brick is a brick. Put those features on a good handling model. Bricks are just pure profit for all the Jap bikes, BMW, and anyone else who makes them (those are the big brick builders though.) HD does the same old model, so does BMW, and so does Jap bikes: I don't like any of the HD twins, or 4 cylinder bricks - they are for straight away driving only. Yahoo!

The V1K's power is effortless, but not the handling on tight corners: it's still a brick. At least HD's will split lanes because they are loud, where as bricks riding on the yellow lines with all that power and weight is just plain crazy. ymmv
Maybe a brick, but it is 120 or so pounds lighter than my current ride and it handles like a baby compared to my custom chopper.
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Maybe a brick, but it is 120 or so pounds lighter than my current ride and it handles like a baby compared to my custom chopper.
Don't get me wrong, Jap bricks are wonderful pragmatic machines. They do everything great but handle, split lanes, and maneuver well in slow city driving. A 1993 Honda Nighthawk 750 (which also had a midrange cam like the Vs. 650) for $2k in pristine condition is wonderful (until a car pulls out in front of you.)

You are so close to the ultimate motorcycle, why settle for a high dollar compromise. If you spend 95% of your riding on the expressway riding your wife: well, Momma calls the shots. O/w, go for the best ever: period. Riders are here that have owned it all, over and over again.

There is no other upright sitting Supermoto tourer vertical twin (for superior handling) with a midrange cam out there, especially from a Ninja 650 racing engine. Whatever makes you happy is the important thing though.

You can't go wrong with a V1K: but you could do so much better at near half the price. Before you spend the big bucks, you owe to yourself to drive a Vs. 650 (maybe the dealer who let you go for the extended tour?? - Tell him it's the last test in your mind before you buy the V1K

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You can't even test ride a Vs. 650 from a dealer.

Dealers letting you take extended drives on the V1K brick should tell you something. The Vs. 650 is the hot model that handles too. Of course if you tour two up, I could understand a brick: but not if you understand the correlation between safety and handling and fun.

The V1K is the same old same old brick model with no fixed overhead expended for new equipment. It has some interesting features, but a brick is a brick is a brick. Put those features on a good handling model. Bricks are just pure profit for all the Jap bikes, BMW, and anyone else who makes them (those are the big brick builders though.) HD does the same old model, so does BMW, and so does Jap bikes: I don't like any of the HD twins, or 4 cylinder bricks - they are for straight away driving only. Yahoo!

The V1K's power is effortless, but not the handling on tight corners: it's still a brick. At least HD's will split lanes because they are loud, where as bricks riding on the yellow lines with all that power and weight is just plain crazy. ymmv
You keep spewing the same **** and you have never ridden the bike. Your opinion of the V1K is irrelevant. Unlike you I have ridden the bike for over 700 km and it is no brick. I also own a 650 and the 1K handles as good as the 650.

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The V1K's power is effortless, but not the handling on tight corners: it's still a brick.
Yup, can't turn them with a wrench.


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What is a "brick"? Is that some type of generic term for a 4 cyl?

I have a 650, and I've only had it for a month. Never ridden a V 1000, but I've read a fair amount about it, and it seems like a hell of a bike for that size/class. Same motor as some of their other bikes, but cylinder head and cam profile changed to spit out lower end torque and power with a linear powerband. Seems like a great mount to do some serious miles, especially on big roads.

Despite the name, it's an entirely different bike from the 650, and in a different class really. Close to twice the power/torque but nearly 150lbs heavier, so comparing the two is apples to oranges. I don't think that makes either one better than the other, they're just different.

One thing they both have in common though, either will feel super nimble and quick coming from a big cruiser!

As for the windshield; If you were wearing an open faced cruiser style helmet, you might want to test the shield with a proper full face before looking for a replacement. Otherwise you should be able to find an aftermarket that works better for you. Worst case, you can always customize one. I'm planning to cut down an old Arthur Fulmer plexi-shield I've had kicking around to make a winter shield for my 650.

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Yup, can't turn them with a wrench.

It doesn't look like you're having any fun at all.

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Despite the name, it's an entirely different bike from the 650, and in a different class really. Close to twice the power/torque but nearly 150lbs heavier
Bzzzt. Per the website, the fully dressed V1K weighs 549 lbs, the naked V650 476 lbs. Take the bags, barkbusters, centerstand, and luggage rack off the V1K and it probably isn't 50 lbs between the two. You could lop a lot of that off the V1K by replacing the exhaust with a full system.

Now maybe if you are cornering at 100 mph, this makes a difference, but at street speeds, not so much.
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Vulcan S looks sweet. good luck with everything else too.

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Thanks to all for the comments/suggestions. Sorry about it turning into a 650 vs. 1000 debate. That wasn't my intention.
IanThomas, yes, the Vulcan S is a very impressive sport cruiser. Very nimble and fun.

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2015 Motorcycle of the Year. Go figure?

http://www.ridermagazine.com/latest-...sentation.htm/
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2015 Motorcycle of the Year. Go figure?

http://www.ridermagazine.com/latest-...sentation.htm/
Why them no good, two timin, Bricklayin sumaguns...How dare they offend the tender sensibilities of midrange cam lovers everywhere!
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You keep spewing the same **** and you have never ridden the bike. Your opinion of the V1K is irrelevant. Unlike you I have ridden the bike for over 700 km and it is no brick. I also own a 650 and the 1K handles as good as the 650.
Stick a sock in it punk. I have OWNED a 1995 BMW K1100lT 100 hp bike. Do you think 20 more hp is going to make it more tractable?

The OP asked for comments or suggestions. I've OWNED a 100+ hp bike, and I got duped in the same way he is going to, by a test ride. You've got the same pictures of a grasshopper on a tank being painted, lol. You better have done a thorough analysis before you test ride one that powerful: you are dumbstruck with a $hit eating grin. I'm just glad he made it out of the dealer, but he must be a pretty experienced rider.

I said they were good bikes and he would not go wrong, but i also said to try and test ride a Vs. 650. It will set your eyeballs back in your head if you ride it hard. A 100+ hp bike that can almost do 100 mph in most any gear with the twist of a throttle will get you in so much trouble in the mountains on curves or anywhere except straight aways. Ask Saddlebags who practiced changing gears in parking lots. His picture dragging and body leaning the battleship at 60 degree angle did not impress me. It's not going any further over even if he hangs 10. You may not have mountains where you live, but bricks suck in the mountains and when you hit the valleys, one twist of the throttle can get you killed on a curved hill approaching a car when you can't hold the brick in it's lane. As far as handling the same, stick to your grass hopper cartoons painted on gas tank pictures.

If you want 0 to 100 mph nimble performance: the Vs. 650 is hard to beat. If you want 80 to 140 mph performance on straightaways or a dedicated touring machine, the V1K would beat a BMW in value. If you drive over 80 mph or under 100 mph, touring or city, dual or single. It's not an easy question. But I would rather go out of my way for a test ride than make a big mistake most people have that now own 650cc bikes. And like Saddlebag said, midrange cams perform where people ride the most. Shadowing cars is safer and ticket free: doing 140 mph is crazy with Las Vegas gambling odds - eventually the odds are stacked against you and you are a sitting duck.
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You HAVE NOT ridden a V1K, end of story
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Ask Saddlebags who practiced changing gears in parking lots.
Doing low speed turns not changing gears.

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His picture dragging and body leaning the battleship at 60 degree angle did not impress me. It's not going any further over even if he hangs 10.
Hanging off the bike doesn't increase it's lean angle. It increases the speed at which you can take the same corner at the same lean angle.

Anyway, you are right. Because I lowered the bike and added the flatfoot, it won't lean any further. I've ground it down quite a bit, but it still lightens the rear tire if I lean on it too hard. Without the flatfoot, the front of the stand grinds and then the gear shifter. Since seeing that pick, I adjusted it higher.

It can be leaned further on the right before crap scrapes, but I can't put weight on that leg to get off it.

Point being, if someone lowers a V650 they'll be in the same boat. An unaltered V1K would have considerably more ground clearance, but neither one of these bikes is a 636. They are ST bikes and are quite capable for street riding.

And stop calling people names. Makes you look like a juvenile that got a hold of their dad's computer.
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You HAVE NOT ridden a V1K, end of story
And the only thing You've proven you've OWNED is pictures of grasshopper decal defacing a Vs. 650 gas tank: period.
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Yup, can't turn them with a wrench.

Note that you are hanging into the other lane on the apex of a curved hill doing maybe 25 mph (not 100 mph) on the Starship Enterprise at a 60 degree angle. A Honda Civic enjoying their superior handling coming from the opposite direction would not allow you time to shuffle back on your seat (as if you could anyway), much less get out their right away. Be careful getting your action photos, be very careful.

Is your wife laying down flat on her stomach on the graveled edge of an apex corner taking your action photo? lol

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.....if you tour two up, I could understand a brick: but not if you understand the correlation between safety and handling and fun.....

....The V1K is the same old same old brick model with no fixed overhead expended for new equipment.....

....It has some interesting features, but a brick is a brick is a brick.....

.....Bricks are just pure profit for all the Jap bikes, BMW, and anyone else who makes them.....

....The V1K's power is effortless, but not the handling on tight corners: it's still a brick.....

.....bricks riding on the yellow lines with all that power and weight is just plain crazy...... ymmv

My question stands, what exactly is a brick? Is it a term for a 4 cylinder? Is it a term for a Liter bike?

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