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Ride Comfort Question -- Throttle Wrist & Rear Break Foot

Not always but occasionally either of the following occur: my throttle wrist begins to uncomfortably stiffen when holding speed, and my right shin will become stiff from my right foot hovering over the rear break; unlike my non-aching left foot that gets to droop down between the peg and shifter.

From point A to point B around town, I'm not concerned and can deal with this when the discomfort surfaces. However, I really want to do my first state-to-state tour this coming summer and I would hate for this kind of fatigue to set in when on the road for an hour or two between stops, and especially miles from home.

Any solutions to either discomfort? Thanks.

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I think it is going to come down to a "what works for you" type of thing.

A couple ideas come to mind.

You could look at an inexpensive throttle lock. This isn't a cruse control, but rather it just holds the throttle to a set position, giving you the chance to stretch your wrist, shake it out, etc. I think you can find an inexpensive one for $20 or so. I've heard of using an o-ring where the throttle meets the bar end weight, but I've never tried it.
http://www.aerostich.com/go-cruisetm...control-1.html
Also, try adjusting your hand position and or look bar risers.

For the brake, what type of boots are you wearing? There is quite a bit of adjustment in the brake position, maybe you just need to move it. On a longer ride, change foot position once in a while, even if just to stretch out. Move your foot on the peg from the arch area to the ball. On longer rides, I will even move my feet up to the rear pegs just for a different position for a while. Some may say that is a less "ready to brake" position, but it can't be any worse than having them on highway pegs.

You always want to be prepared to respond to a situation, but maybe you are riding a little too tense?

With a few modifications, the Versys can be a decent touring bike. I've done 600 mile days and several 400 mile consecutive day trips.

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Thanks. I've been trying to pay attention to my position on days when the discomfort appears versus the days I'm fine. Being tense does sound like the probably culprit there when I think about it. I'm definitely going to look into the throttle lock. As for my right foot, I wear my combat boots -- not actual riding boots.
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Not always but occasionally either of the following occur: my throttle wrist begins to uncomfortably stiffen when holding speed, and my right shin will become stiff from my right foot hovering over the rear break; unlike my non-aching left foot that gets to droop down between the peg and shifter.
The brake peddle isn't much bigger than the shifter peddle that I notice.
Can't you just let your brake foot droop between the peddle and brake like you do with your foot on the shifter side ?

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Why are you worrying about your back brake, it is the front brake that will stop you. Relax. A throttle lock helps to give the right hand a break.
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I use a $6 wide cramp buster. I have it adjusted so my hand is at natural rest. makes it around 5k rpm 6th gear or 75 mph. for foot I have replaced the factory pegs for off road pegs (ebay $12-18). nice wide foot rest. then added motowerks peg lowering links. On most road work I don't cover rear brake. just front.
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Why are you worrying about your back brake, it is the front brake that will stop you. Relax. A throttle lock helps to give the right hand a break.
X2. I sometimes will hook my feet over the rear foot pegs to stretch them out. I'm waiting for the day when I get a hip cramp while doing that. I also will sit on the pillion for a few minutes to stretch out my legs as well.

I need to learn a lot more about braking, but I hVe locked the rear up a couple times in panic situations, so Not having my foot ready to brake on the highway or other lonely stretches does not concern me much.

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I use one of these:

http://shop.crampbuster.com/crampbuster-cb4.html

Makes a WORLD of difference. Being able to open your hand, use 1 finger to hold the throttle in position for a few seconds, or whatever. I also have a cheap throttle lock that I use as well. Both help with the wrist issue.
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I found that raising and rotating the handlebar helped with the wrist, it may take a while to find your "Sweet Spot" but it will make all the difference in the world. I had to change the bar on the KLR to get the "Pull Back" to the right angle for comfort. As far as the feet go I will move my feet back to have the balls of my feet on the pegs for a break on the open road. Heck on long trips I'll even use the passenger pegs and a extra place to hang my feet to stay fresh. The throttle lock is the best thing to help IMHO short of a true cruise control and the add on one I saw cost big bucks.

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Alex - a few suggestions: 1. Take your Ibuprofen about 20 minutes BEFORE your ride and then re-dose as directed throughout your ride. 2. Disconnect the throttle return spring and get something like the first throttle friction device mentioned above (Aerostich.) It's incredibly simple in how it works and allows you to completely remove your right hand from the bars to give it time to "rest." I'll leave it to others to address the shin-cramp issue, I don't experience that. Oh, and one other thing, pick up one of those grip exercisers. You know, the thing you squeeze to strengthen your grip. When I know I've got a lengthy ride coming up, a couple weeks BEFORE the ride, I'll start squeezing the thing multiple times throughout the day.
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Not always but occasionally either of the following occur: my throttle wrist begins to uncomfortably stiffen when holding speed, and my right shin will become stiff from my right foot hovering over the rear break; unlike my non-aching left foot that gets to droop down between the peg and shifter.

From point A to point B around town, I'm not concerned and can deal with this when the discomfort surfaces. However, I really want to do my first state-to-state tour this coming summer and I would hate for this kind of fatigue to set in when on the road for an hour or two between stops, and especially miles from home.

Any solutions to either discomfort? Thanks.

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You need to slide you feet back so the balls of your feet ( the area right behind your toes) are resting on the pegs. You move them to shift or brake.

Your wrists should be straight and comfortable instead of bent. You should have very little weight on your hands. Your levers may need to be adjusted downward a little for easy reach without bending your wrists.

I recommend you pick up a copy of "Total Control" by Lee Parks. It goes into riding position and setting up the bike properly.

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Those are all good suggestions, but I know what you really need...

A time machine. Set it to say, 2000 - and when you get there, all the aches and pains will be gone.

As will that urge to keep children off your lawn...

(All kidding aside, I bought one of those cruise-control-type clamps so I can rest my hand occasionally. Works great.)
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Well everything that has been suggested I have------cramp buster, throttle lock,Motowerk lowered pegs and highway pegs, and a Corbin seat, at times I compare my ride comfort to that of sitting in my Lazyboy.
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Thank you all so much for the replies. The cramp buster looks like an affordable application for now, and the grip ball is smart -- I used to rock climb and had quite the grip, but a tendon tear took me out of the sport a while back. For the road trip this summer, I will definitely look into a throttle lock. To even shake out my hand/wrist for a few seconds on the open highway will be nice. Those forward foot pegs seemed legit -- I wonder how they would work with the SW-Motech crash bars . . .

As for the shin discomfort, I'll be more conscious about putting the balls of my feet on the pegs. The rear brake has become a habit that sounds like I need to stop unless during an emergency stop. I do apply the front brake for every stop, but the rear brake too unless going around a corner/bend.

Total Control by Lee Parks sounds very familiar. I feel like I watched a YouTube video that demonstrated some of his teachings.
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-- I wonder how they would work with the SW-Motech crash bars . . .

I had them with the H/B Crash Bars and when i sold the bike. A local guy bought the highway pegs from me and he put it on his Versys with SW Motech Crash Bars no issues...

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... and my right shin will become stiff from my right foot hovering over the rear break; unlike my non-aching left foot that gets to droop down between the peg and shifter....
Like most replies, I use a throttle "lock" (Vista Cruise Universal), ride on the 'balls' of my feet, and ONLY 'cover the rear brake for short periods in heavy traffic, tho' I ALWAYS have two fingers resting on the front brake lever.


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Thank you all so much for the replies. The cramp buster looks like an affordable application for now, and the grip ball is smart -- I used to rock climb and had quite the grip, but a tendon tear took me out of the sport a while back. For the road trip this summer, I will definitely look into a throttle lock. To even shake out my hand/wrist for a few seconds on the open highway will be nice. Those forward foot pegs seemed legit -- I wonder how they would work with the SW-Motech crash bars . . .

As for the shin discomfort, I'll be more conscious about putting the balls of my feet on the pegs. The rear brake has become a habit that sounds like I need to stop unless during an emergency stop. I do apply the front brake for every stop, but the rear brake too unless going around a corner/bend.

Total Control by Lee Parks sounds very familiar. I feel like I watched a YouTube video that demonstrated some of his teachings.
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Thank you all so much for the replies. The cramp buster looks like an affordable application for now, and the grip ball is smart -- I used to rock climb and had quite the grip, but a tendon tear took me out of the sport a while back. For the road trip this summer, I will definitely look into a throttle lock. To even shake out my hand/wrist for a few seconds on the open highway will be nice. Those forward foot pegs seemed legit -- I wonder how they would work with the SW-Motech crash bars . . .

As for the shin discomfort, I'll be more conscious about putting the balls of my feet on the pegs. The rear brake has become a habit that sounds like I need to stop unless during an emergency stop. I do apply the front brake for every stop, but the rear brake too unless going around a corner/bend.

Total Control by Lee Parks sounds very familiar. I feel like I watched a YouTube video that demonstrated some of his teachings.
You don't need to grip hard, you need to relax. If you have a throttle lock you can remove your hands from the bar (one at a time of course) and flex you r
arm/hand a few times to restore circulation. I also like to stand up on the pegs a few times to restore circulation to legs/butt. On long trips I do this about once an hour. Kaoko makes a very nice throttle lock for the Versys.
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