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a little saturday upgrade turned up something bad

I was removing my givi racks, installing heated grips, and installing an auto chain oiler when i spotted this...



can you spot the failed o-rings? this is one link of 3 that have gone bad since I installed this chain about 3 weeks and 900 miles ago. I've never seen a chain fail where it spreads the link plates until it squeezes the o-rings out before. Normally things just wear out and get sloppy.

I guess i should have bought a higher quality chain.

anyone have a recommendation for a new chain.



on the bright side I do now have hot hands...

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I guess i should have bought a higher quality chain.

anyone have a recommendation for a new chain.
Personally I'd trust any chain Moto Mummy sells
https://www.motomummy.com/chains/
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I was removing my givi racks, installing heated grips, and installing an auto chain oiler when i spotted this...



can you spot the failed o-rings? this is one link of 3 that have gone bad since I installed this chain about 3 weeks and 900 miles ago. I've never seen a chain fail where it spreads the link plates until it squeezes the o-rings out before. Normally things just wear out and get sloppy.

I guess i should have bought a higher quality chain.

anyone have a recommendation for a new chain.



on the bright side I do now have hot hands...

What size chain did you install, something just doesn't look right.Also it looks like your chain is stretched severly.It might be the camera angle, but some of the rollers are touching the wrong side of the sprocket teeth.

I am on 25000 KM on original chain, plan on replacing it this winter, even though it looks good.

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What kind of chain?
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Wow that's a short life. I got around 20,000 km out of my OEM got around 16,000 on my current DID 520VX2 and it's looking good so far
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the chain was an ebay 40$ 520 o-ring chain, I had figured that it probably wouldn't last 20k but was hoping that it would last at least as long as the rear tire.

I don't think there is any real stretch as its about the same as when i installed it. the angle of the photo probably a factor there.
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Like some have posted - I'm at 51,700 miles on the ORIGINAL chain on my '08....

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RK or DID chains only.

I didn't get anywhere near 50k out of a chain... You guys must ride like little nancy girls. :P

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RK or DID chains only.

I didn't get anywhere near 50k out of a chain... You guys must ride like little nancy girls. :P
ordered a DID x-ring chain.

the stock chain was shot at 10K (about the time I bought it) to the point were the rollers were flopping around in the links.

I expect much better results from the DID chain with auto-oiler.
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Like some have posted - I'm at 51,700 miles on the ORIGINAL chain on my '08....
Hey Eddie, my turn to ask, 51,700 Miles, I am at 25000 KM or 15000 miles, I have a 16 tooth front and have no problem hitting 100 KM per hour in second gear.
So my question is, do you have any sprocket wear, and changing the chain at the point I am now may be premature compared to what you have. I have adjusted the chain once this year, about 5000 km ago.
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no doubt that 50,000 is impressive, most people seem to get 15-25k miles
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I have 28500 miles on my original chain. Nothing but the Dupont Multi-Purpose lubricant (blue can) applied after each ride ranging from 200 to 300 miles. Still looks good , no tight spots.
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ordered a DID x-ring chain.

the stock chain was shot at 10K (about the time I bought it) to the point were the rollers were flopping around in the links.

I expect much better results from the DID chain with auto-oiler.
You will be happy with a DID chain, what we have used on all of our bikes for years and years. No issues ever so easy to recommend. Take a look at your sprockets as well to make sure there are no signs of wear. If I had a problem with a chain that quick I would recommend looking closely into that. Would hate for you to put on your new chain and something similar may happen. Just my two cents, if I can help shoot me a PM or a phone call.
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Sprockets are new so it wasn't that
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I have 28500 miles on my original chain. Nothing but the Dupont Multi-Purpose lubricant (blue can) applied after each ride ranging from 200 to 300 miles. Still looks good , no tight spots.
Dupont changed their formulations a few years back. The current Dupont multi purpose lube (blue can) is not recommended for chain use by the company. They make a product called chain saver (yellow can) which also contains Moly as well as other agents making it more suitable for chain lubrication. Great product.

In my experience how long a chain lasts depends on a multitude of factors from how clean (grit free) and well lubed you keep it to proper tension and alignment to chain quality. Too much tension or dirt will destroy a chain pretty quickly as will storing your bike outside where rust is an issue.

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I lost o rings on my OEM chain during a 7000 mile tour. I replaced it at 15,000 miles.

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Dupont changed their formulations a few years back. The current Dupont multi purpose lube (blue can) is not recommended for chain use by the company. They make a product called chain saver (yellow can) which also contains Moly as well as other agents making it more suitable for chain lubrication. Great product...

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At first I was suspicious of moving from the old (blue can) Dupont formula to the new Dupont Chain Saver (yellow packaging) formula. I am happy to experience that the new Chain Saver stuff works just fine on my V and my off road bike, for the past 2 months. I use the liquid version (not the spray can). It's easier to apply, its thicker, and seems to last a little longer.
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[QUOTE=twowheels;719722]Dupont changed their formulations a few years back. The current Dupont multi purpose lube (blue can) is not recommended for chain use by the company. They make a product called chain saver (yellow can) which also contains Moly as well as other agents making it more suitable for chain lubrication. Great product.)

I have known that they have changed the formulation but my chain and sprockets probably doesn't mind. Just like Fasteddie's chains and sprockets that can't tell the difference between a WD40 and a real chain lube.
If it works, i'll stick with it.

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I exclusively use Kosher Bacon Grease on my chain.
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I exclusively use Kosher Bacon Grease on my chain.
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