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Winter is coming...with condensation

Tell me if I'm wrong. Short rides in the winter make for creamy oil, ja? I figure if I get SOME sort of heater, probably either a stick on or a magnetic oil pan heater, and I keep the oil from dropping from running temp to an ambient temp of sayyyy around 30 F, then condensation won't have time to form inside my crank case, right? How much would the heat rising from the pan heat the rest of what might contribute to sweaty parts?

I just don't like the thought of mayo in my oil just because I don't want to take it for a joy ride in 30 degree weather to burn off the water. Will this work? I am not a weekend warrior. My V is my primary mode of transportation, so the novelty of getting to ride for an extra 20 minutes in freeze-your-hands-off weather faded a long time ago.

If this is viable I'd rather have a magnetic type, rather than a stick on type, but whatever is most effective, I'll buy.
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Condensation or say water, does not create a change in oil color from regular oil tan/black color to milky creamy color. Water and oil separate. However, a bad gasket causing a coolant to be mixed with oil does create a milky creamy substance.

I'd recommend doing a complete oil and filter change and going out for a long ride. Not too long! Make sure you stop and check the oil for discoloration after. Ride longer than your "short" ride.

EDIT: If you're a mechanic I'd just take apart the entire Versys and not even ride it. I had this issue on my Ninja 250 before and familiar with it.

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I say creamy...not all of the oil, just the water that settles on top. It's not a head gasket. It did the same thing last winter.
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The oil in my Buell, air/oil cooled, in winter looked like mayo on top. The oil itself was regular looking but there was always a bit of "Spluge" that was in there in cold weather. It just couldn't get warm enough to boil the moisture out of the oil.

My KLR has a "T-Bob" and can and will warm up fast enough for cook the water right out of the oil. I don't know if the stock cooling system on a KLR or Versys will get hot enough to do so. A T-Bob from Wattman would help for certain, no I don't get a kick back and am NOT on the payroll! I just believe in the thing is all.

That said I don't think the "Spluge" would hurt anything as long as it's not taking over the whole crankcase.

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Honestly, this is my first time hearing of a layer of mayo on top of the oil. I've ridden year round for two years before and I never experienced this issue.

Something new everything. Please disregard my post above.
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Thermo-O-Bob user here as well. Love it!

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Honestly, this is my first time hearing of a layer of mayo on top of the oil. I've ridden year round for two years before and I never experienced this issue.

Something new everything. Please disregard my post above.
Like I said it was a Buell, large air cooled motors seem most prone to this. I don't ride year round here as they salt the roads as soon as a single snowflake falls and Salt will eat a motorcycle alive. So I haven't seen a problem with either of the Kawasakis.

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I ride daily through the winter to work. Only 4 miles each way. The thermobob is key for my short very cold rides...


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T...A T-Bob from Wattman would help for certain, no I don't get a kick back and am NOT on the payroll! I just believe in the thing is all.

That said I don't think the "Spluge" would hurt anything as long as it's not taking over the whole crankcase.
+4 on Thermo-Bobs.

The "Spluge" as you call it, is a symptom of an engine not getting warm enough to 'burn-off' the water, so it CAN harm your engine, over time. Just ride a BIT longer....


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The idea is to achieve an operating oil temperature of at least 212 F (100 C) during the ride to evaporate any moisture in the oil. This is crucial for any engine. The Thermo-Bob is a radiator bypass as found on all automobile and high level motorcycle engines, which ensures that a desirable operating oil temperature is reached.

What may also work is covering part of your radiator... It woud help to have an oil or coolant temperature gauge.

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That sort of answered my question. Has anybody bought one of these kits? I almost put one on my KLR650, but I upgraded to the Versys before I pulled the trigger on that. http://shop.watt-man.com/Thermo-Bob-...-NEWER-TBV.htm
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That sort of answered my question. Has anybody bought one of these kits? I almost put one on my KLR650, but I upgraded to the Versys before I pulled the trigger on that. http://shop.watt-man.com/Thermo-Bob-...-NEWER-TBV.htm


The majority of the guys who have posted on this thread have one..

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my solution to this is.....
my versys is going to me in my living room for the winter right by the heater so it will stay nice and happy and warm
and ill also be doing work/mods to it here and there
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You can improve it right away and save your engine by covering part of your radiator. How cold are we talking, and at what speeds?

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That sort of answered my question. Has anybody bought one of these kits? I almost put one on my KLR650, but I upgraded to the Versys before I pulled the trigger on that. http://shop.watt-man.com/Thermo-Bob-...-NEWER-TBV.htm
Like Joe said most of us have one, I do on the KLR and next is the Versys.

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That sort of answered my question. Has anybody bought one of these kits? I almost put one on my KLR650, but I upgraded to the Versys before I pulled the trigger on that. http://shop.watt-man.com/Thermo-Bob-...-NEWER-TBV.htm
I bought probably the FIRST Thermo-Bob Bill made for sale, for my KLR, way-back-when. Then when I had my first V, Bill decided to check them out, and decided to make the T-Bob for them too. Once he had them designed and produced, again I got one of his first ones, then bought a second when I picked up my 'left-over' '09.

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How cold are we talking, and at what speeds?
Not ridiculously so. East Texas winter. Were I still in Michigan I probably wouldn't even own a motorcycle, but down here, riding all year round isn't really a big deal. FEET of snow makes riding nigh impossible up there for most of the year. Speeds are anywhere from putt putting around town to I-20 where the posted speed limit is 75 mph, but the average is higher than that. The cardboard in front of the radiator was a common trick in the great white north, how much to cover do you think, about half of the radiator?
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Not ridiculously so. East Texas winter. Were I still in Michigan I probably wouldn't even own a motorcycle, but down here, riding all year round isn't really a big deal. FEET of snow makes riding nigh impossible up there for most of the year. Speeds are anywhere from putt putting around town to I-20 where the posted speed limit is 75 mph, but the average is higher than that. The cardboard in front of the radiator was a common trick in the great white north, how much to cover do you think, about half of the radiator?

I lived in Ft.Worth I had my Therm-O-Bob put on right after i bought the bike there.The day i picked up my bike it was 25 degrees. Texas doesn't get much snow but the temps do get low and the wind makes it worse.

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