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Shell Rotella T got new fomula?

Hi All,

Shell Rotella T (both 5-40w synthentic and 15-40w dino) got new formula??? Shell even have a synthetic blend Rotella T now!!!

Check this out... http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?...ucts_home.html

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"We recently ran the JASO MA friction test on Rotella T with Triple Protection 15W-40, Rotella T Synthetic 5W-40 (CI-4) and our new Rotella T6 Synthetic 5W-40 CJ-4. All three oils passed the wet clutch friction test. Rotella T Synthetic 5W-40 CI-4 (now discontinued) has more than 1.2% ash (JASO MA spec limit) so it can not be classified as JASO MA. However, Rotella T with Triple Protection 15W-40 and our new Rotella T6 Synthetic 5W-40 CJ-4 do meet JASO MA."
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Shell's new RotellaT6 Synthetic 5W-40 CJ-4 delivers 34% better wear performance on average compared to previous Rotella T Synthetic 5W-40 CI-4.

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Owner's manual say to change oil every 7500 miles... We all known better not to follow that...

Let's say we all use the same Rotella T 5-40w (synthetic oil)... I wonder when you guys change oil at ???

What if Rotella T 15-40w (dyno oil) were used, at what miles should we change oil at?

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I use Amsoil synthetic MCF 10W-40, and still like to change it at every 3000 miles or so... There's only a little more than 2 quarts taking care of the engine, tranny and clutch, so you may as well change it more often.
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I can get a 4 liter (4.23 US quart) Shell Rotella T6 jug from Canadian tire for $30, and often on sale at $22 or $25, so I decided to switch to it.
Thanks LAVersys.

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No problem invader.

Shell Rotella T's prices has gone up a lot for the past few years... I remember not too long ago it was around $12 for a gallon... I went to walmart last night and it was $19 for the Rotelle T synthetic... and the Rotella dino is $11... Wow!!!

Anyone know any other place I can get Rotella cheaper???

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No problem invader.

Shell Rotella T's prices has gone up a lot for the past few years... I remember not too long ago it was around $12 for a gallon... I went to walmart last night and it was $19 for the Rotelle T synthetic... and the Rotella dino is $11... Wow!!!

Anyone know any other place I can get Rotella cheaper???

I buy my oil at a Shell store- although it's more like a depot of sorts. Don't know if you have such thingy in US.

Invader, it's cheaper there than Canadian Tire...
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There is a local Shell distributor here too, but they probably can't match Canadian Tire's recurring sale prices. I'll check...

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No problem invader.

Shell Rotella T's prices has gone up a lot for the past few years... I remember not too long ago it was around $12 for a gallon... I went to walmart last night and it was $19 for the Rotelle T synthetic... and the Rotella dino is $11... Wow!!!

Anyone know any other place I can get Rotella cheaper???
Prices on all brands of oil went up considerably about a year ago with the then soaring sweet light crude rates, but haven't gone back down. $19 sounds pretty good. I'd be surprised if you can find it for cheaper. How many quarts is the American jug?

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How many quarts is the American jug?
They come in 1 gallon jugs (4 quarts)
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And that's U.S. quarts in a U.S. gallon, not an Imperial gallon.

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It actually went from 4.4 liters for the original Rotella T synthetic 5W-40, to 4 liters (4.23 US quart) for the new T6, but the price remained the same at $30 Cdn, with frequent sales at $25 or $22... As I expected, the Shell distributor sells the T6 for more at $30.74.
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Total base number is 10.6 for Shell Rotella T6, and 10 for Rotella T5, so the oil would be pretty durable and protective during normal and extended oil drains. Pretty good compared to Amsoil 0W-40 AFF's 10.5 like I've been using, and Amsoil 10W-40 MCF's 11.1 which I was about to switch to...

Shell synthetic Rotella T6 specs

Shell synthetic blend Rotella T5 specs

Total Base Number (TBN) is a measure of a lubricant's reserve alkalinity. It is measured in milligrams of potassium hydroxide per gram (mg KOH/g).TBN determines how effective the control of acids formed will be during the combustion process. The higher the TBN, the more effective it is in suspending wear-causing contaminants and reducing the corrosive effects of acids over an extended period of time. The associated measurement ASTM D2896 and ASTM D4739-06 generally range from 6-80mg KOH/g in modern lubricants, 7-10mg for general automotive use and 10-15 for Diesel operations.
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I am pretty sure the walmart that I just visited a couple of days ago still carry the old stuff (both Syntheric and dino oil).

I will check some other walmart when I get a chance.

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If Shell Rotella T is rated JASO MA, then why don't they put that on the container? It makes you think, doesn't it?

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If Shell Rotella T is rated JASO MA, then why don't they put that on the container? It makes you think, doesn't it?

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Not really I ran it in more than one of my motorcycles without any Ill effects,reason they don't have it on the container is it costs money to get certified and they really aren't worried about a small market when compared with the truck/heavy duty oil market.

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Old thread, but a little update.

JASO MA is on the jugs now. So no worries. Apparently there are enough users for MC use that they threw it on the jug now. I have been running HDMO oils in bikes and ATV's for a long long time. Pennzoil Long Life was the best IMO.

FWIW, Invader, I studied Tribology in school, and a TBN between 10 and 11 would normally be of NO consequence at the intervals you are changing the oil.

Typically, in 2000-2500 miles you would deplete 1/2 of the TBN value. In say 50/50 driving. What I would look at in a shared sump more than TBN, is HTHS and ZDDP levels.

I run Rotella 15W40 in summer and 5W40 in winter. I change at 1500 mi regardless as the trans brutalizes the oil. I have done some UOA's and the 15W40 shears down to between a 30W and 20W in about 1,000 miles. The 5W40 shears less...

I have been running the T5 10W30 in my Subaru Turbos and it is awesome

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If Shell Rotella T is rated JASO MA, then why don't they put that on the container? It makes you think, doesn't it?

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I don't know, but "this" stuff (5w-40w syn) makes my bike shift better.
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Um, anyone have an oil terminology dictionary for this noob?
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HDMO = Heavy Duty Motor Oil (typically a dual rated diesel and gasoline oil non energy conserving) "fleet oils"

HT/HS = High Temp High Shear

TBN = Total Base Number (neutralizes or better, renders byproducts of combustion as less corrosive)

ZDDP = an anti wear additive in oil that consists of Zinc and Phosphorous (when the oil film is depleted, this prevents/prolongs the event of galling and seizing of metal on metal) Zinc Dialkyldithiophosphates (our friend) You remember STP oil treatment ? (this was ZDDP in a bottle basically. good way to spike energy conserving oil for longer intervals)

UOA = Used Oil analysis
VOA= virgin oil analysis

MC= motorcycle

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