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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 09-21-2009, 09:22 PM Thread Starter
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versys engine endurance

Hi everyone, quick question from a new rider. I'm on a Versys 09 with about 6000 km on it.

Went on a road trip up Vancouver island this weekend, and there were some long stretches where the average speed of traffic was 130-140 km/h. 140 km on the stock Versys is about 6-7000 rpm in sixth, and you can definitely feel the engine working to sustain this speed.

I got to wondering whether or not this is hard on the bike, or at least something that might cause it to wear out faster than it should. Obviously the engine is designed for higher rpm's still, but if you travel for hours at 140 km, is that pushing the engine too much?

For that matter how about a sustained speed of 150 or 160? At what point do you start asking too much from the engine? I want to enjoy this bike but also I want it to last.

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i recently just got my Versys and the guy who showed me everything on the bike. buttons shifter a basic orientation on the bike.He said for the first 1000 Miles not to exceed 5000 Rpm
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Came back from Eureka CA to Portland OR, probably doing 80-90mph most of the way, over 400miles. Loaded with enough gear for 3 weeks. No issues. I have over 20k miles on my V, most of it hard miles, whether on or off road (logging forest etc). This bike is almost bullet proof.

Change the oil on a regular basis every 2000-3000miles, lube the chain every 300 or so (I'm still on my original chain and sprockets).

I recently abused it above an beyond the call of duty (thanks Al & DW) riding miles through trails and ending up on 20 miles or so of heavy sand. High revs, numerous falls (that would be you DW) and clutch slipping. V is as good or better than the day I bought it.

If you can wear it out, treat yourself to a new one-you'll drop before it does!

While I type this in the comfort of my home, sipping a glass of cheap wine, Gary a fellow Northwet Versys guy is riding from here to Tera Del Fuego, currently in central America somewhere on his Versys, Guatemala I believe.

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for the last 7 years we have a guy that brings his kawasaki er5 in for service , the motor is as strong as new and its done wait for it ,,, 100,000 miles and the versys motor is a big bore version of that , that bike is used every day 60 plus miles , so it should be good , oil and fitters every 2500 miles and it should run for ever
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15k on my Versys and recently abused it up Mt. Washington, that is 6 miles, straight up a mountain in first gear at 6 ot 7000 RPM, runs 100% (well except for the G-D tranny whine that'll get brought in before the warranty expires).

The key to this or ANY engine is good maintenance, change the plugs, clean/replace the air filter, change the oil and replace the coolant at regular and reasonable intervals and it will run for a long long time.

Same goes for the chain, I hit mine every week (I ride 60 miles for my commute each day) with Dupont Teflon Lube as well as any time after I ride in the rain. At 15k miles, I haven't had to even adjust my chain since the first adjustment after break in when the bike was new. I am betting I can get in the high 20's out of the stock chain and sprockets.

A lot of people ignore a lot of the maintenance items, like changing brake fluid, changing coolant and even greasing the swingarm and steering head bearings, these are important items that need to be tended too every couple of years.
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I do Iron Butt rides on my V. A typical day is 600 miles, an atypical day is 900+. I don't go much more than 5-10 mph over the speed limit. Here in MN that means 75-80mph or 120-130kph. I have no issues at 15K miles on the bike. I do use full synthetic oil and change it every 3,000 miles.

Oh and the speed you mention, were those indicated on the speedo or from another source (GPS)? The Speedo is 6% optimistic, so at 130kph indicated you were doing 122kph.

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hi,
It's my first post on this forum. I own a 2007 Versys, bought last year from a Polish Kawasaki dealer. I've done already 15000km (+-9000miles), it runs perfect, the only thing I've complained about was some noisy buzzing in the fairings which I've already fixed with some tapes and rubbers. It's my first "serious" bike (I was riding some Chineese/Korean 125cc "contraptions" before), so you can imagine I'm in love with Versys and I want to ride it till the end of the world and even one day longer Is there anybody out here who has already done on Versys more than 100 000 km (+-60 000 miles). Do you think the engine really can handle that? With my average years milage (I expect to do 20 000 - 25 000 this year) in 4 years time I will have a completely worn out bike and probably no money to buy another one
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Sustained 140 to 160 Km/hr should be no problem. Being in 6th gear helps, as does good synthetic oil and regular maintenance, like mentioned.
c881 of the UK Versys forum was at 67200 kms (41731 miles) in January of this year... A 'Kawette' french forum member was at over 80000 Kms (49709 miles) in November 2008 with his ER-6f, which is said to be still running strong. His engine took 1/4 liter of Castrol synthetic "Power1 Racing" 10W50 between his 60000 and 72000 kms oil changes. No oil accumulates in pickup hose at base of airbox by the crankcase vent. No coolant loss, no leaks or any problems whatsoever.


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Thanks for your answer! Do you know how can I contact "Kawette"?
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I have over 20,000km and Im in Vic to. I did a road trip in the summer for 3 weeks on my V and racked up 9000km on just that trip. This bike is awesome, I ran it up to the limits many times on that trip and the bike has not acted up at all ecept for reg maint

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I highly recommend going to a 43 tooth back or 16 tooth front. Mine has the 43 and I am doing a little over 5k rpm at 70 mph. And that is accurate, as opposed to the 5mph or so overstated stock setup. The motor seems much more relaxed at those rpms. Getting rid of the cowl buzz is another must do mod, only takes 30 minutes and makes the bike feel and sound so much smoother.

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...Getting rid of the cowl buzz is another must do mod, only takes 30 minutes and makes the bike feel and sound so much smoother.
So, which method did you use to eliminate the cowl buzz?
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Thanks for your answer! Do you know how can I contact "Kawette"?
Kawette is the French-European ER6/Versys forum... I've just asked for an update on the highest mileage ER-6's.

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Your bike looks awesome invader!! (if that picture of the silver V is yours)
How did you get the different cowl set up? That looks alot more wind resistant!!
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Your bike looks awesome invader!! (if that picture of the silver V is yours)
How did you get the different cowl set up? That looks alot more wind resistant!!
That's a pic of Kawette forum member Pollux34's European ER-6f when he hit 80000 kms, then sold it fall of 2008. He now owns a new blue one...
So nobody else claims to have topped that, with a couple in the low 70000's kms.

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Well, thanks for all your answers. I'll keep you informed about my next 25 000 km A quick question to "Element": did "going to a 43 tooth back" make your V accelerate much slower?
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That is a great tip from Element. A 43T rear sprocket gives it 6.98% taller gearing (+6.67% with a 16T front) compared to stock 15/46, without much sacrifice to acceleration. A 43T reduces your 7000 rpm down to 6543 rpm at the same actual speed. It is a very popular and liked mod. It also reduces speedometer error of about +6.5% (@ 65 mph) down to near perfect, while increasing odometer and trip meter error to about -6.5%.
I run a 15/45 setup with a taller 150/70 rear Trail Attack, giving me ~5% taller gearing. Others also went with 15/44 for a 4.54% increase, but 15/43 or 16/46 is the preffered freeway gearing.

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very informative thread this one.would there be any updates invader? there may be some European models with more than 150.000 km out there.ask the french dudes plz.
I am also in search of a good priced decent chain for the v via ebay.are there any opinions?
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RobC of the UK Versys forum recently decided to trade in his 60000 mile (97260 Kms) Versys after suffering from electrical problems... He had previously logged 86000 miles (139400 Kms) on an ER5 in 4 years.

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thanks for the prompt answer .i am planing a 1500 km trip these days so i will go for a chain-sprocket change as i did almost 32k from the original chain.when i changed to 16t front the dealer i went didnt aligned the back wheel perfectly.yesterday i wanted to tighten the chain a bit and when i aligned the wheel i noticed a chain noise.its sure a noise from uneven wear on the chain/sprocket combo.i know that it wont get better so its a time for a change.back wheel alignment is essential for chain and sprocket life,people should be aware of that.when you buy a new bike or when you do typical maintenance be aware of this parameter.
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