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Ihate the stock dunlop tires!!!!

i feel like i'm riding on glass.....seems it takes no effort at all and i'm sliding all over the place......tire pressure is always checked....whats a good replacemen tire choice...mine only have 2500 miles on the stock tires and i'm ready to trash em...
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are you riding on relatively clean dry pavement? or?
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Wow, those stockers on your bike must be real old and hard.

I've got ~7000 miles with one trackday thrown in there and they stick like glue.

At the track day they went through a half a dozen heat cycles and by the end of the day they weren't balling up as much but they were still gripping.

Maybe borrow somebodys tire warmers and put them through a couple cycles to soften them a bit. especially if you can't ride em fast cause its like riding on glass.
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Stock Dunlop D221 is not as good as others, but it's not as bad as you said it is.

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I have darn near drug the knee pucks on my leathers on the stock tires. They are not great but they are not that bad. In fact if the price was right I would run them again.

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You are not talking about the rear tire skidding under braking are you? That is the only time I have ever broken loose. And that has nothing to do with the tire. Lousy rear brake feel and too much forward weight.

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Hard Stuff

Yours must have gone hard. Mine have stuck like glue for the past 7300 miles. They are a little loose now - but probably because I can see the steel belt in the rear tire. New tires arrive next week from Motorcycle Superstore.

No complaints other than they are done @ 7000 miles.
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Yours must have gone hard.
That Viagra laced air is a pain!

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Actually the stock tires are very good.

I just had them at the track and pushed them for all their worth, 110mph in the straights down to hard braking for hair pin turns, dragging a peg a couple of times keeping up with 1000cc bikes in the turns. They actually surprised me how well they stuck and I was running with other bikes with TRACK tires that required tire warmers in the pits.

So I'm a bit confused by your statement

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You are not talking about the rear tire skidding under braking are you?
Could be, its amazing how many back brake only users there are out there. Check this cat out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqkTkw0K-t0

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OP - you're not alone.

I've noticed the bike is skittish when encountering anything that is not 100% dry road. I hit a patch of compacted dirt on my street while going straight and the bike shimmied like I'd just ran across an oil slick. Dirt, a single acorn, it doesn't matter. I can't justify replacing the tires right now - they've only got 4300 miles on them (09 greenie).

Part of it could be the bike just provides more input to the rider than my previous bike (800 vulcan drifter 200lbs heavier).

I can say that I have not had any problems in the Shelby Forest twisties , although I rarely hit them above 40-50mph. I'm a chicken.

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i always ran avons or metzlers on my other bikes...these dunlops just feel like they let loose in the curves then grab again....and my chicken strips are and inch wide! so i know i'm not pushing it too hard....i agree with the rear brake feel issue...it starts to slide before you even realize its happening... i hate to change them with on 2k miles on em...
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and... "I love the stock Dunlop tires!!!"
Guess it's to each his own, but I have cornered right to the edge of the tread on mine, and they stuck like glue. The "V" is the first bike that I've 'dragged a footpeg' on.
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...and I've got a rear Roadsmart in the garage for when I need to change it.
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Only slide under brake pressure, just take it easy on the brakes in the corners and
loose stuff. I got a little squirley in the rain on a corner, otherwise nothing unusual.
This bike does feel front end heavy to me, mostly because of rider position and the large gas tank. Here is my philosophy on cornering, brake hard while the bike is upright, the moment you start to lean, you are done with the brakes.

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I have not had any issues with my tire but only have about 600 mile on them. not easy on tires either and I accel hard out of turns and brake pretty hard going in but i get all my braking done while mostly straight up/down not leaned over on the street. I was not aware that people trail braked on the street as much. try getting all your braking done before the turn then carry a neutral throttle or accel through the turn after the apex. If you get into trouble you can always use the back brake to bring the bike in tighter to keep it on the road but that is a line I do not like to cross very often. i leave plenty of room for error on the street, too many hazards and solid obstacles to hit.

Not sure if it is front or both but a racing buddy of mine told me once that he has never seen anyone tuck the front tire under acceleration only under braking as the force is great than available friction under braking causing the front to get squirrely and tuck.
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I put 7,000 miles on the original Dunlops and only lost grip once, I'm guessing I got the tires a bit too warm on the Dragon. I never dragged anything and still have a bit of chicken strip front and rear.
The loss of grip was for a split second and it came right back without even a wiggle. It was off the brakes and with smooth throttle so it caught me off guard but nothing terrible happened.
I'd say something is wrong with your tires, your roads, your suspension/set-up, or maybe your riding style. The original Dunlops may not be great tires, but they shouldn't be THAT bad.

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The stock tyres are pants, yes you can drag the pegs with them no probs, but they inspire no confidence whatsoever. Mine were shot by 5k and I wasnt hard on them as the versys is my commuting bike. In the wet the handling is dire and I had a lot of front end pushes for no reason. I even had the rear break away slightly in the dry when cracking open hard in 1st at a slight angle. Its prolly because for some reason OE tyres arent that much cop, the corsa 3s that are on my 10r arent the same for feel or grip as the ones I fitted when they had worn down.

Im now on roadsmarts and they are superb, they are wearing well and grip like sh1t to a blanket. Grip in the wet is great as well.
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Mine feel like riding on glass also, not just under braking but, as Cetzel said, anything that is not 100% clean, dry road. I just can't bring myself to throw away new tires!

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My front OEM is at 10,600 miles and I'm looking to replace it.
Now that it is worn I'm not too in love with it, but I've done some pretty ballsy riding on it and haven't fallen down yet, except in the grass.

I have nothing to compare it to and my next front (probably a Roadsmart) may be even better. I have had it slip a few times under braking in the wet, and cornering with sand on the road surface. Each incident was easily recovered-from.
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