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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 08-07-2009, 02:46 AM Thread Starter
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Question how to ''offroad''

i've been riding alot these last months and find myself ending up on those small farmroads made of sand and small stones (Offroad for me)

when it is a small stretch i take it on but verry slowly however when i can't see the end i normally turn round and find an otherway round it

what i like to ask is what is the right technic to take these road just some basics because i don't have the technic and get tensed up when i see some gravel
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The worst thing is to get tense, relax and let the front track itself, don't try to "man-handle" the handle bars. IMO get some better tires also.

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I ride in the dirt as well as on the road and will have to agree as hard as it is to comprehend getting on the gas can get you out of a bad situation. And tires make a big difference
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What the other posts say, PLUS - your bike will be a LOT more stable at a higher speed, even tho' it seems non-intuitive. Where it'll be all over the place at 20 mph, at 40 or 50 (without a tense grip) it'll be way more secure! Try it.
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All of the above

and to stress... stay relaxed and don't be afraid to give it a bit of gas
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ok so use some throtle i'll practise that however i'm bount to come to a corner at some point should i pull it throu the corner with some gas or slow down

thanks for al the inputt
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i find that when riding my offroad bike i am heavier on the rear brake in the corner so the front tire does not wash out
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If you're riding on gravel remember to slow down a lot more for left turns than you do for right turns. Left turns are all off-camber pretty much, so you're pretty likely to end up in the ditch even at old-lady speeds.

Also, avoid ruts and mud at all cost. The small wide street tires don't cope.
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It also helps to keep your weight forward to plant the front wheel better. Let the rear wheel move where it wants to, as long as the front is not dancing around or starting to lift.

Practice riding with the lightest grip on the handlebars you can manage. Learn to feel the bike finding it's own sense of balance and stability.

The rotating wheel has a gyroscope effect and will behave itself if you let it. It is when you push the wheel into a different direction that the gyroscope effect fights against you and it feels unstable. This is the foundation of counter-steering. When you push forward on the right grip the gyro effect wants to lean the top of the wheel to the right. If the wheel is finding its own way over gravel and you push like this, it will try to lean over, you get nervous and hold tighter, thereby causing another gyro-effect, and the wheel washes out from under you. OTOH, let it do its own stabilizing and you will find it is very well behaved.

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+1 what Doctor Shifty said.

Play it loose and relax. That being said, it's not the ideal bike for gravel with stock tires.

If you're going to be doing this a lot, you should consider at least some more aggressive DS tires, if not a DS bike.

But it can be done on the V. Have patience and a little faith in physics...

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arjan, where do you ride on those farm roads? I used to live in Leiderdorp, so I know the "hood" a bit.
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i ride a lot in friesland en groningen and in germany pretbek

just got back from a ride in friesland and found some gravel so i put the theorie to practise the strait bits are better with more speed but corners are still a bit iffy it's work in progress
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From here on it's a matter of time on the bike. Your confidence will improve, so will your skill level. Enjoy the ride.

Perhaps you've got a friend with a small dirt bike with knobby tyres, up to 250cc. They make for good training, nice and light, not too tall in the seat, and easy to chuck around.

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Keep your head up and look where you want to go! You'll be amazed how quickly you'll hit that huge rock or rut if you stare at it, but if you look where you'd rather go (such as between the two) you'll miss the scary stuff every time. Stay loose.

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I have the same challenges living 1 1/2 mi. down a dirt/gravel road, but haven't had a problem after watching the Motopeak Dual Sport Riding Techniques DVD numerous times and using the recommended riding (standing) practices. You can buy the DVD at: http://www.dualsportriding.com
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I am no expert but I know that lowering the air pressure in your tires will help a lot. Drop the pressure quite a bit from the normal road pressure.

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Currently have 23,000k on my 07 with more than half in the woods of Nova Scotia. The versys this weekend took an 08 KFS 250 to school. I have been running distansia for 2 rear 1 front now and this weekend myself , buddly with the 250 and 40 ATV rider were amazed where I put this bike and it made it out on it's own every time. Two ATV's were towed. FYI gravel road at 110km/hr. Keep it slow until you learn these. I am looking into shinko 150/70/17 and 120/80/17 now. does anyone try these?
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But it can be done on the V. Have patience
Yes what he said. This bike is delightful off pavement.

I went up Gibbons Pass from the Sula Montana side.

This road was on my GPS but not on my Montana map.







But then I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer either,,,,,

This bike will go wherever I point it.

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