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Question Rear subframe mods, reinventing the wheel?

Hey,
Rather than lower the bike I'd like to just lower the tailpiece of my '08, which is getting tougher for me to throw my geezer leg over.
Anybody done this, or know someone who has? I'd be cool with just sort of flattening out the tail behind the rider seat.
For now, I may just look at eliminating the pillion seat, the tail piece, and relocating the rear lights, maybe onto the existing or a slightly modded subframe.
But if anybody has been down this road already on a Versys, I'd sure appreciate hearing about and seeing it.
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Hey,
Rather than lower the bike I'd like to just lower the tailpiece of my '08, which is getting tougher for me to throw my geezer leg over.
Anybody done this, or know someone who has? I'd be cool with just sort of flattening out the tail behind the rider seat.
For now, I may just look at eliminating the pillion seat, the tail piece, and relocating the rear lights, maybe onto the existing or a slightly modded subframe.
But if anybody has been down this road already on a Versys, I'd sure appreciate hearing about and seeing it.
Thanks in advance.
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I got a flat seat so it took care of the problem for me...Bad hip and knee. Now that i'm healed up i went with a regular seat. Took off the grab rails as well. Put a Motowerk Lowering Kit on it also.Cheaper than the seat Didn't adjust the front end of the bike and i like the way it rides like that better.






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Barry - try getting on from the RIGHT side. Bike on side-stand, right-hand on grip holding front brake ON, right foot on 'peg holding rear brake ON. Transfer your weight to the right 'peg as you stand, then start swinging your left leg over and your left hand to the left grip transferring your weight LEFT so your V doesn't come right, or stand up.

Works like a DAMN!

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+1 on removing the Grab Rails..this makes a huge difference...can't say I have ever seen a Versys Bobber! that could be a very interesting concept!
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Lowering the front comes free, so give that a try first. Can't help on frame modding, tho. Sounds overly exhausting.

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I have a 28" inseam and have been getting on "the wrong way" like fasteddie mentions since i have put about 2,500 miles on my V. It works for me too. It seems all wrong at first, but it does work.
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this is just what the doctor ordered.....

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Barry - try getting on from the RIGHT side. Bike on side-stand, right-hand on grip holding front brake ON, right foot on 'peg holding rear brake ON. Transfer your weight to the right 'peg as you stand, then start swinging your left leg over and your left hand to the left grip transferring your weight LEFT so your V doesn't come right, or stand up.

Works like a DAMN!
Since my knees have gone rotten,
and my back has steadily progressed from bad----to---worse,
getting on AND off of a motorbike is one of the ugliest
and most painful things that I do when I go riding...BUT I STILL WILL NOT STOP!

So...this is a real blessing for me to have this recommendation

...I think I got it Eddie
BUT
just 1 question:

is the fork pushed "hard left" with the right hand and held in that position during this maneuver?

NOW---->you got any good recommendations to help me "gracefully"
get off the beast?

Thank you kindly,
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Since my knees have gone rotten,
and my back has steadily progressed from bad----to---worse,
getting on AND off of a motorbike is one of the ugliest
and most painful things that I do when I go riding...BUT I STILL WILL NOT STOP!

So...this is a real blessing for me to have this recommendation

...I think I got it Eddie
BUT
just 1 question:

is the fork pushed "hard left" with the right hand and held in that position during this maneuver?

NOW---->you got any good recommendations to help me "gracefully"
get off the beast?

Thank you kindly,
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So...this is a real blessing for me to have this recommendation

...I think I got it Eddie
BUT
just 1 question:

is the fork pushed "hard left" with the right hand and held in that position during this maneuver?

NOW---->you got any good recommendations to help me "gracefully"
get off the beast?

Thank you kindly,
TheOldDustyOne
DustyOne - YES to question 1 (but NOT necessary...); and to 2 - just REVERSE the 'get-on' procedure, but in BOTH, brakes ON so the bike doesn't roll.

IF you can get a buddy to 'stand-by' the V the first time you try this it'll help your "piece-of-mind", but AIN'T necessary!

I do this regularly to show guys how easy it is....

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I stand on the left peg and swing my right leg over to get on the bike.
To get off I stand up on both pegs then swing my right leg over and off.

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Close to two inches! Beat me down if you like but I do a lot of casual, low speed, minimal traffic riding on my V. If I want to go fast, I use the C14. I got these shoes (actually the tan and black version) at a flea market for $10 way before I got the bike. Tried them on the Versys one day and got my feet on the ground nicely. Kind of tricky working the shifter but doable, although the diminished heel may present more problems if your balance is not good. I wear them sometimes but now that I see these white ones, just might get em and wear more often with my white GMAX dual sport space helmet.
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Hmmmmmm....

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I got a flat seat so it took care of the problem for me...Bad hip and knee. Now that i'm healed up i went with a regular seat. Took off the grab rails as well. Put a Motowerk Lowering Kit on it also.Cheaper than the seat Didn't adjust the front end of the bike and i like the way it rides like that better.
I like that seat. And pulling off the grab rails. Not much point to 'em since I'm a solo rider and I don't need them to reef the bike up onto a non-existent centerstand.

I've had three back surgeries, two knee surgeries and need a new left knee. My insurance plan doctor referred me to a good specialist to get a knee replacement, since I can't upshift (I have to cob together heel-toe shifters at present), but my insurance plan just pulled my referral authorization so I may have to go with one of their incompetent hacks. Lovely. But I'll ride until I can no longer breathe, one way or another.

My perception and reference point of a dual-sport adventure bike is based on a 70s Yamaha XT500 or Honda CL450 or early BMW R80GS....not some pseudo motocross- or roadracer-tailed setup like the Versys, which may look sweet as Hell, but isn't all that functional in the rough. And I did ride some enduros back in the late 60s on Honda Scrambler 90s and 160s and got my ass kicked by not only the competition, but the bike and the course. Then again, so did everybody else except the guys on the purpose made Huskys, Greeves, Sachs, Bultacos, etc. But the only reason for high fenders was to keep the mud from fouling the wheel and chain. Not show.

BTW, while I was writing this, the postman arrived and I had to sign for a package from Motowerk containing my rear lowering kit, among other bits. The builders are putting up my shed on Thursday and I'll move my lift and tools in on Friday, so I should be able to get her down this weekend....knock on wood. I'll post results.

Thanks for the input, Wel.

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Last time I tried this, I highsided at about 5 mph. I am not the most coordinated individual on the planet

Thanks for the thought, anyway.
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I like that seat. And pulling off the grab rails. Not much point to 'em since I'm a solo rider and I don't need them to reef the bike up onto a non-existent centerstand.

I've had three back surgeries, two knee surgeries and need a new left knee. My insurance plan doctor referred me to a good specialist to get a knee replacement, since I can't upshift (I have to cob together heel-toe shifters at present), but my insurance plan just pulled my referral authorization so I may have to go with one of their incompetent hacks. Lovely. But I'll ride until I can no longer breathe, one way or another.

My perception and reference point of a dual-sport adventure bike is based on a 70s Yamaha XT500 or Honda CL450 or early BMW R80GS....not some pseudo motocross- or roadracer-tailed setup like the Versys, which may look sweet as Hell, but isn't all that functional in the rough. And I did ride some enduros back in the late 60s on Honda Scrambler 90s and 160s and got my ass kicked by not only the competition, but the bike and the course. Then again, so did everybody else except the guys on the purpose made Huskys, Greeves, Sachs, Bultacos, etc. But the only reason for high fenders was to keep the mud from fouling the wheel and chain. Not show.

BTW, while I was writing this, the postman arrived and I had to sign for a package from Motowerk containing my rear lowering kit, among other bits. The builders are putting up my shed on Thursday and I'll move my lift and tools in on Friday, so I should be able to get her down this weekend....knock on wood. I'll post results.

Thanks for the input, Wel.

-Barry

Your welcome,

The lowering kit worked good for me. At first i dropped the front end also. But then i raised the front back to normal and i like it that way better. Speedy makes great products i have several of his items...

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Worth a shot, with help

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Barry - try getting on from the RIGHT side. Bike on side-stand, right-hand on grip holding front brake ON, right foot on 'peg holding rear brake ON. Transfer your weight to the right 'peg as you stand, then start swinging your left leg over and your left hand to the left grip transferring your weight LEFT so your V doesn't come right, or stand up.

Works like a DAMN!
I'll try this next time my two oldest boys are around to catch the bike when I fall off the left side. Like the previous post says, I'm not very good at this sort of maneuver. But I'll try most anything once, twice if it didn't hurt too much the first time
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...But the only reason for high fenders was to keep the mud from fouling the wheel and chain. Not show....
AND to keep the front fender and wheel from being jammed up by mud to where it won't turn...!

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Question One Step up, Two Steps back

Pulled the grab rails with my limited tool supply and that helped a surprising amount. At the same time, I mounted my Parabellum Xtra tall screen....definitely worth an electric jacket in warmth, and no plug-in to mess with.

Got jerked around for the second (and last time) by Amazon when they screwed up my order for Barkbuster S7s. What a nightmare of incompetence. Opting for a refund this time.

Waiting for a friend to loan me a truck to haul my lift, storage racks, and my tools home from storage so I can put my shop together. At least the bikes are locked up and out of the rain now.

And I can install the lowering kit and peg lowering blocks once I've got the bike clamped into the lift.

Question: how do I get the left rider footpeg off? Seems like there is an Allen head on the back side (with the cat can in the way to block me from using a socket) and the peg on the front side? That socket seems pretty loose and I don't want to round it off completely, given the lack of other options....anybody ridden this ugly road before?

Thanks as always.
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[QUOTE=BarryEss;508434...Question: how do I get the left rider footpeg off? Seems like there is an Allen head on the back side (with the cat can in the way to block me from using a socket) and the peg on the front side? That socket seems pretty loose and I don't want to round it off completely, given the lack of other options....anybody ridden this ugly road before?

Thanks as always.[/QUOTE]

Unless I'm missing something in your question, it's just a 'shouldered pin' held w/ a circlip. Remove the circlip and pull the pin out (watch how the spring fits for when you put it back in), put in the peg-lowering block, and reverse what you just did. Then re-install the peg w/ the supplied bolt and locknut.

You don't need to remove the footpeg mounting block for this.
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OK, installed the Motowerk WR lowering kit (got the WR kit since I plan on using a hugger eventually) today. Holy balls, 1.85" is a whole lotta drop!!! If I wanted to, I could put the grab bars back on and still easily throw a leg over now. I need to shorten the kickstand, but I have the flat-foot, so no biggie. I'm going to ride around a bit before I try raising the forks in the trees.
At the same time I bought the lowering kit, I got the mirror extenders (installed those today as well), highway peg mounts, and rider peg lowering brackets. I don't think I'm going to use the latter, though, as my ergos are pretty good as is and I'm converting my shifter to a heel-toe setup by a local fabricator.
On the whole, I guess, things are progressing well. Well enough for me, anyway.

Thanks to everybody, especially Weljo, for the wisdom of your own experience.

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