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a fall under the leathal first drops of rains...

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I was happy to take my lovely V for a ride today as the weather was initially good...after 30 min the rains started but it was very light rain (the worst part I know...)...at a stop light the front wheel locked or lost grip of I don't know! ....
I'm fine, no scratches on the bike except some slight ones on the crash bars (really the H&B crash bars are the best investment I made in this bike) and the barkbusters...I got everything on video thanks to the Mobius Action Cam which despite the fall still works great...

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I'm glad you're alright. What tires do you have on your V?
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PR3, I'm sure it was not the fault of the tires, by approaching the stop light may be I pressed the brake lever a bit too much...but I don't know...or rather I don't remember
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Maybe dial down the aggression when it's wet out. Just a thought.
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Bummer! Glad you are safe.


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most dangerous moments are the first 10 min of the rain, when all the oils and dirts are brought out from asphalt by the rain. (as told by my instructor when I did my course)
glad you are OK.

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Maybe dial down the aggression when it's wet out. Just a thought.
was I aggressive????

I drove back home like a grandma on her wheel chair....
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Glad you're ok.
It's interesting no one helped (except the occasional horn).
What happened is you failed to adjust your riding habits to compensate for the road conditions.
You already knew about the dangers of new rain and light rain, now you need to find out why you didn't use that knowledge.

Oh yeah, stay in the tire tracks of the other traffic.
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Glad you're ok.
It's interesting no one helped (except the occasional horn).
What happened is you failed to adjust your riding habits to compensate for the road conditions.
You already knew about the dangers of new rain and light rain, now you need to find out why you didn't use that knowledge.

Oh yeah, stay in the tire tracks of the other traffic.
Indeed no one helped probably because I stood up quickly but then there was a car behind me who did the distress signal.
you are correct that I knew the dangers of new rain but what probably happened is that, as the road was completely dry before, I did not measure the amount of light rains that started and I was expecting to see more drops on my visor prior thinking that the road started to be really wet...

anyway, I don't feel ashamed because I understand that we keep on learning on a daily basis
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most dangerous moments are the first 10 min of the rain, when all the oils and dirts are brought out from asphalt by the rain. (as told by my instructor when I did my course)
glad you are OK.
+1 I have reviewed your video. Glad you are ok!

It is just like an oil slick as it just starts to rain. In the center of the lane is usually the worst. And of course gets worse at the stops. I have seen guys go down on oil slicks at stop lights with no rain at all.

Sometimes I'll hit the rear brake just to get a feel of the surface.

Glad you and bike are ok. We have snow now, but I had freezing rain coming home the other night and I was on high alert!





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Traveling faster in the rain than the four wheeled vehicles.

Sometime in the rain drag the soul of your boot on pavement for a moment.
The reduction in friction is very telling.

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As far tires go, and assuming someones tires are not worn out.

If someone is riding in the performance difference between two quality tires

Your going to fast

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Wow, I can't remember which fellow it was but someone posted a similar wipeout last year they had coming out of their driveway. Conditions were cold but it looked clear and the damn bike just whipped right out from under him. Kind of like yours did. Scary how the V just flops over sometimes.
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Glad your okay. At least with the video you can see what went wrong..

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Glad you're alright.

Agree with others... Nearing stop lights are one of the most oily/greasy road spots... Always (very) dangerous in first rains.

Maybe it's just me but, watching the video, it doesn't seems you're going that fast... ... Do you remember applying any rear brake?... I went down like that, in my previous bike...

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Glad you're alright.

Agree with others... Nearing stop lights are one of the most oily/greasy road spots... Always (very) dangerous in first rains.

Maybe it's just me but, watching the video, it doesn't seems you're going that fast... ... Do you remember applying any rear brake?... I went down like that, in my previous bike...

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I have never used my rear brakes...even my right foot can't locate is quickly in a panic brake....I got used to the front brake only

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Raced motocross for years so got very comfortable using the front brake...But on the street when the roads wet I stay away from the front brake.

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Start using back brake right away and get use to it!

Applied together is how you stop the fastest and maybe needed.

If you are turning and have some gravel on top of the pavement you will need that back brake also!





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Now you know what went wrong. I have never used the front brake alone when on the road except when manuevering to park. How to properly apply both brakes is one of the most important lessons in the Motorcycle Safety Course. Glad you came out OK . Hope you correct that habit soon.
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