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Before the V, what was there ?

Can someone name a bike that came before the V that had that distinctive hefty supermoto look ?
Prior to 2006 ...

Was the Versys the first ?

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Well Phil - the Suzuki DR-S 400 was one....

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The original KTM Duke and Duke II were both a bit more supermoto-like than the Versys but about the same displacement.

If you want to go further back, there was the Yamaha SRX6 before anyone ever dreamed of a supermoto. Nowhere near as versatile or comfortable as a Versys, but similar concept.

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Can someone name a bike that came before the V that had that distinctive hefty supermoto look ?
Prior to 2006 ...

Was the Versys the first ?

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In 2003, Ducati came out with the Multistrada. The V is Japan's version of the Multistrada.
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The original KTM Duke and Duke II were both a bit more supermoto-like than the Versys but about the same displacement.

If you want to go further back, there was the Yamaha SRX6 before anyone ever dreamed of a supermoto. Nowhere near as versatile or comfortable as a Versys, but similar concept.
Never heard of "Superbikers" (IIRC) from the '70's? Basically the same thing as supermoto, where they pitted top riders from MX, roadracing and flat track backgrounds against each other, kinda like IROC for motorcylce racers. Again, IIRC the bikes were the likes of YZ490's with flat track tires.

I think the SRX was more of a "street single" than a "multi-road" type bike, and was after bikes like the SR500 and the Ascot 500 from Honda. More inline with the Versys were bikes like the Honda Transalp, NX650 and especially Yamaha's TDM850.
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TDM850 was similar, I have one. It's not quite as tall. I thought of the Superbikers too when I read this thread earlier.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUEyWgyQOKg
There was an original bike from that series at a Cycle World motorcycle show a few years ago.
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Never heard of "Superbikers" (IIRC) from the '70's? Basically the same thing as supermoto, where they pitted top riders from MX, roadracing and flat track backgrounds against each other, kinda like IROC for motorcylce racers. Again, IIRC the bikes were the likes of YZ490's with flat track tires.

I think the SRX was more of a "street single" than a "multi-road" type bike, and was after bikes like the SR500 and the Ascot 500 from Honda. More inline with the Versys were bikes like the Honda Transalp, NX650 and especially Yamaha's TDM850.
Yeah, I've heard of Superbikers. I guess what I meant to say was before anyone ever used the word "supermoto."

As for the differentiation between an SRX6 being a "street single" and a Versys being a "multi-road" bike like an NX650 or Transalp, I guess that depends on how you look at them and how you use them. To me, the street tires on the Versys differentiate it more from an NX650 with its mild dual-sport intent than from a street-only SRX6.

But Lord knows I don't want to open the can of worms about whether you can or cannot, should or should not, take a Versys off pavement. Please no, not again.

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Before the V was a great void, or lack of a V... So, Kawasaki created it.
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Yeah, I've heard of Superbikers. I guess what I meant to say was before anyone ever used the word "supermoto."

As for the differentiation between an SRX6 being a "street single" and a Versys being a "multi-road" bike like an NX650 or Transalp, I guess that depends on how you look at them and how you use them. To me, the street tires on the Versys differentiate it more from an NX650 with its mild dual-sport intent than from a street-only SRX6.

But Lord knows I don't want to open the can of worms about whether you can or cannot, should or should not, take a Versys off pavement. Please no, not again.
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Yeah, I've heard of Superbikers. I guess what I meant to say was before anyone ever used the word "supermoto."

As for the differentiation between an SRX6 being a "street single" and a Versys being a "multi-road" bike like an NX650 or Transalp, I guess that depends on how you look at them and how you use them. To me, the street tires on the Versys differentiate it more from an NX650 with its mild dual-sport intent than from a street-only SRX6.

But Lord knows I don't want to open the can of worms about whether you can or cannot, should or should not, take a Versys off pavement. Please no, not again.
The O.P. was asking about bikes with the "hefty supermoto look" I think the "Superbiker" bikes would fit that description.
The NX650, Transalp, and especially the TDM 850 (what I always called "Euro Enduros") were much more road oriented than the XL-R, DR, KLR, and XT counterparts of the time. Whereas the SRX and the Ascot were just simple lightweight street bikes. I CAN attest that due to it's lightweight and tractable single cylinder power the Ascot 500 did WAY better on dirt roads than the Versys ever could. I imagine the SRX would be very similar, thought neither has that "hefty supermoto look" nor the 97% road, adventure tourer look of the Versys.
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Of course the SR500 was probably way closer to a factory supermoto bike than any of the other bikes we talked about (except the Duke and Duke II) being as it was a straight "street" bike that shared many parts (including the frame) with the straight "dirt" TT500. The Ascot 500 and the SRX shared little more than the engines with their respective XR500 an TT600 counterparts.
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I would say the one thing we can all agree on, in response to the original post, is that the Versys was not the first of its kind.

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The first bike that come to my mind was the unfortunate Yamaha TDM. Just before its time. It happens. Before the Versys, I'd be looking at KTM and Triumph line ups.
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I would say the one thing we can all agree on, in response to the original post, is that the Versys was not the first of its kind.
True enough. I think it was kind of a loaded question anyway since the Versys really doesn't have a "supermoto look" at all, more of "adventure tourer" look. When asked what type of bike mine is, I tell them it's a "adventure commuter", haha.
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Yamaha came out with the TDM 850 in 1991. Probably the first upright, faired, tall, all rounder made.


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