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There's a place up here near Lansing (MI) called Alpha Training Center that offers a course called Advanced Rider Tactics. The course is a one day deal taught on a range by motor cops. Anybody ever take training like that? Is it worth my time? What about an advanced MSF class here in Michigan? I'm already going stir crazy--it's snowing like mad here now.
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You can never get enough training... and any kind of advanced course will be helpful in the long run...
and... no snow here!


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I haven't taken an advanced skills course yet but I will this year. I've taken the basic course and a course on handling traffic, road conditions and group riding. After learning group riding I really think twice about hopping on my bike and riding with a bunch of fighter pilots.

I can relate to the mid-winter blues...
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I agree with amir, you can never get enough training/practice. Skill is the one "mod" you can use on every motorcycle you own, or will own.

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Does this course have a web site? I'd be interested in looking at the details. We don't have crap around here for advanced training like that. My friend in Chicago has attended Street Riders Technical Training and said it was worth attending and she's attended twice.

I'm always looking for more training. Around here the Advanced MSF course was basically the basic course but done on the road. We started the morning off by re-doing the basic course in a parking lot, the very one we needed to get our M2 license (graduated licensing) and then we practiced some skills on the college roadways and finally taking it to the road. Finished the day off with taking a road test and we were done. The program taught the test and I really didn't learn anything new.

I asked my instructors about advanced training and they just kind of laughed and said I was one in a million. As most riders just want the license and don't care about training.

I'm originally from Grand Rapids, Michigan. Just had a visit home over the holdiays - what a nightmare drive I had coming home. A fog bank that stretched from Grand Rapids to Hamilton, Ontario. I can't wait for this winter to be over and get my bike back out. Hold on fastgrandpa - only three months to go!
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Good read...

Don't now how widely know it is, but I found a book at the library titled "Proficient Motorcycling" by David Hough (pronounced huff). It contains so much information that it might advance a rider of just about any level of experience, knowledge-wise. Bought my own copy before it was due back at the library.
Of course plenty of practicing the various riding skills (some require a buddy), and having an experienced MC instructor who can notice our shortcomings before they become habits, are real important too...
There must be such instructors out there, maybe a list could be started if it isn't already...

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I read Hough's book, and I'm already signed up for the MSF experienced rider course at a Harley dealer in March. I gotta pray for good weather that Saturday. If you search the internet, you may find something. I'm glad I signed up in November, I bet the class fills.

Snow falling here, too, but I did get out for a ride a couple weeks ago.

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Don't now how widely know it is, but I found a book at the library titled "Proficient Motorcycling" by David Hough (pronounced huff). It contains so much information that it might advance a rider of just about any level of experience, knowledge-wise. Bought my own copy before it was due back at the library.
Of course plenty of practicing the various riding skills (some require a buddy), and having an experienced MC instructor who can notice our shortcomings before they become habits, are real important too...
There must be such instructors out there, maybe a list could be started if it isn't already...
Very widely known - Hough is a god in the motorcycle safety pantheon. If you want to stay safe and know what will get you out there - read Hough. He's also got two other books that are also just as good. I read them before I start each season - gets my head back in the ride.
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Here is the training center's website: www.alphatrainingcenter.com. I'd like to be able to say that I understand what I'm doing rather than just doing it. I will definitely check out the book by Hough.
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I asked my instructors about advanced training and they just kind of laughed and said I was one in a million. As most riders just want the license and don't care about training.
Ain't that the truth?

I'm looking forward to taking the Sport Riders
Course to be offered monthly here for soldiers
returning to buy sport bikes. Should be fun.

The above is funny because I just had to order
something else to get free shipping on the Pure
One oil filters from Amazon. Couldn't find anything
for half an hour I needed so ended up ordering,
you guessed it, "Proficient Motorcycling"

Since the advent of the internet I don't read
books as much but I'll have to make an exception
for Hough's tome. Finally got a Round Tuit!
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Round Tuits

Round Tuits rock.

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Here is the training center's website: www.alphatrainingcenter.com. I'd like to be able to say that I understand what I'm doing rather than just doing it. I will definitely check out the book by Hough.
Get a load of those photos. They're wearing skid lids and street clothes. I would keep shopping for someone who takes safety seriously if I was you.
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Big Charly, they're riding in a parking lot at less than 20 mph. How much armor do you need?






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Not around here. They won't even let you take the beginners class dressed like that.
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wearing skid lids and street clothes
It looks as though the folks are all wearing the MSF required garb. Note the advanced class are wearing proper jackets, while the beginner group do look to have sturdy shoes(supposed to cover the ankle?), helmets, long sleeves, and gloves. It does seem the beginning class involves fairly slow speeds, some say the advanced class does too...There are links to reviews of MSF course experiences (they are NOT all the same) and commentary by MSF instructors but I'd need time to find and post them. Take a google at it...

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Cool Under the watchful eye

It does seem that MC skill courses have the distinct potential to have one's skills/habits scrutinized by someone experienced in doing so... that could be considered part of the value received for one's money no matter what knowledge is gained...

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A potential opportunity and a caution

MC skill classes do also provide the opportunity to practice observing other's skills. Maybe learn something new...Maybe feel too proud of our own skills....

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Not around here. They won't even let you take the beginners class dressed like that.
I'm curious to where "around here" is. Are you in the states? I'm also curious as to the requirements of the school you attended. I've been to 2 different MSF courses over the years & their requirements haven't changed. This is a quote from the site linked above:


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You need a helmet (we have a very limited supply of helmets on hand - call to reserve a helmet), protective eyewear, full-fingered leather gloves, protective clothing (covering arms and legs that are reasonably form fitting, no baggy pants), and sturdy footwear that covers the ankle. You should dress for the weather and be prepared for inclement conditions. Training is held rain or shine.

Seems reasonable to me. These are the same requirements for both the classes I've attended. It's also the same for being able to ride a bike on a military base. Of course, the military can't be out done, so they added a "upper outer garment needs to be a contrasting color during the day & reflective at night" clause.



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Last year I took a MSF class and it was bascially just stiff clothing. I wore a full carharts suit, plus my riding boots, and helmet + gloves.

However the advanced class you have to wear a full suit and have either a year experience or 4500 miles under your belt.
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