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Shifting speeds: Manual vs real life

I now have 1000 miles on my 650, and have developed what speeds "I" think the bike should be shifted at. They are all considerably higher than what the manual says.

I'll just talk about the one that made me question things:

SHIFTING INTO 6TH GEAR. To me, shifting into 6th gear (and keeping a constant speed) is to be done in the high 50's...but even better if it's done in the 60+ mph range. And I see the manual says 34mph. I think the manual is crazy. I've never even tried the bike that way. The bike really struggles at lower rpms (down in the 2000-3000 range). Granted, I will admit the bike is smoother in these lower rpms than when I bought it, but I still wouldn't want to run the bike that low.

When I got the bike (2018 model...new) it had an unpleasant vibration around 4-4.5k. That has smoothed out, but if you go down to 2-3000k..it's still there.

For all the other gears, I feel the bike should be at a higher speed than what the manual says. Heck, going 25mph....I keep it in 3rd..and I consider that the bottom. (ok, maybe 24-23mph)
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Stop reading manuals.
If it feels right, shift with that.

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These bike like to rev. Shift when it fells right. 34 in sixth, no way.

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I shift up to 4th if I am riding at 40 MPH for any period of time, but I tend to shift early to be honest. Once my RPMs are above 4000, I tend to shift up if I am just cruising and not accelerating. If I am still accelerating, then I will go up to 7000-8000 RPMs before I shift (like when getting on the freeway/highway).
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I'd shift into 6th at that speed when going down a steep hill with a 40mph limit. But otherwise I think those speeds are more in line with minimum speed for the gear, not a preferred speed under normal riding conditions.

Just loafing around town I shift between 4000 and 5000 rpm, which brings it down to 3000-4000 rpm in the new gear.
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I've never owned a bike (or car) whose shift points according to the manual made much sense.

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I shift around 3500-5000 rpm.
I also have 2018 model, I buy them new, and I have vibration around 4000-5000rpm, but that is gone now (how I don't know), or I just ignore them after 3 month and 5500km .
I didn't read in manual what they say about shifting, I shift where I wish, 90% is between 4000-4500rpm.
My ride is 90% on road where speed limit is 70km/h (I drive little less than 80km/h).
After few days of that slow ride, I go on open road to "clean bike", with bigger revs and bike work very well.
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...SHIFTING INTO 6TH GEAR. To me, shifting into 6th gear (and keeping a constant speed) is to be done in the high 50's...but even better if it's done in the 60+ mph range. And I see the manual says 34mph....
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These bike like to rev. Shift when it feels right. 34 in sixth, no way.
Unless I'm accelerating to a higher speed (for instance - highway) I end up in 6th for MOST of my 'in-town' riding, and shift down WHEN I need some acceleration, then back into 6th.

FWIW - I get exceptional gas-mileage - 75 mpgImperial (60 mpgUS) last fill-up, mostly riding twisties.


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Unless I'm accelerating to a higher speed (for instance - highway) I end up in 6th for MOST of my 'in-town' riding, and shift down WHEN I need some acceleration, then back into 6th.

FWIW - I get exceptional gas-mileage - 75 mpgImperial (60 mpgUS) last fill-up, mostly riding twisties.

I use hyper-mileing techniques as much as possible but only average in the upper 40's. I think that is a slight drop of a couple mpg since getting the ECU flashed, but I'm not positive. On the highway I get in the 50's, in town is the low 40's.
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On my commute, 50 miles round trip on good roads, I average 60mpg. I tend to shift up to 6th early (50 - 55mph) and leave it there, only changing down as traffic dictates / stop lights etc.

On my last tank I averaged 68 mpg for the tank (based on trip meter mileage / gas pumped into tank), but that did include a 120 mile ride at a fairly consistent 55 - 60 mph.

Bottom line, I do change up early but at higher speeds than the manual recommends.

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On my commute, 50 miles round trip on good roads, I average 60mpg. I tend to shift up to 6th early (50 - 55mph) and leave it there, only changing down as traffic dictates / stop lights etc.

On my last tank I averaged 68 mpg for the tank (based on trip meter mileage / gas pumped into tank), but that did include a 120 mile ride at a fairly consistent 55 - 60 mph.

Bottom line, I do change up early but at higher speeds than the manual recommends.

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I do roughly the same as this. I wish there was a little wider ratio between 5th and 6th gear, so that highway cruising speeds were at a lower RPM.
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I think most of the owners mnual were written about 50 years ago, and they just keep copying and pasting, except for relevant new model information.
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I use my ears

I just listen to the bike.Been doing it that way with all my bikes for years,It will talk to you.
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I shift up to sixth pretty quick if I'm just in transit. In the twisty's I'll keep it in the midrange in whatever gear holds that, between 5-7k. Taking off it I'm wanting quick I go right up to redline.

My clutch engages at the beginning of the pull so shifts are pretty quick with minimal pull, same with the shifter. Mine shifts quite smooth other than into first at a stop. You can definitely notice the difference with new oil or oil over 4k miles. For a 650 this thing has very usable midrange and pretty good pull so long as your above 4k RPM. It hates life below 3k.
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My 09 has me for a gear counter,so im always in the right gear.In some of the roads Im on Ill stay in 4th for 20-40km of twisties.
Speeds between 60 to 130km/hr,it saves changing gear,get better engine braking and concentrate on the road.

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Watching the tach or speedo to shift is a great way to find yourself in big trouble.

Focus your attention on the big picture of what is around you. Your ears and butt tach will let you know when to shift.
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Watching the tach or speedo to shift is a great way to find yourself in big trouble.

Focus your attention on the big picture of what is around you. Your ears and butt tach will let you know when to shift.
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Greatly depends on the traffic, lesser on the mc and what you are trying to accomplish.
In traffic I tend to skip shift 2-4-6th gear. Sometimes I short shift up.
IMO, looking at your tach in traffic could be hazardous , you are giving up .5 seconds of space and safety.
My one rode accident I gave up 1 second looking to the side. Trying to avoid the mc in front of me (guy turned off in that one second) I crashed doing about 10mph.

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