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Just read an article on the 2019 V 650, they said it has a slipper clutch....?
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That's pretty cool, not sure i need one but still wouldn't not want it.

Honestly this is probably not popular but I'd LOVE a DCT Versys. I love that thing in manual with the lightning fast shifts.
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I highly doubt it has a slipper clutch. I have a '19 and it's not mentioned in the owners manual nor in the brochure.
The 1000 and 300 have slipper clutches (according to the brochure).
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I highly doubt it has a slipper clutch. I have a '19 and it's not mentioned in the owners manual nor in the brochure.
The 1000 and 300 have slipper clutches (according to the brochure).
Frankly I was surprised to read it, suspect the journalist was mixing up his specs
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For the Ninja 650 and the Z650, it's posted on the kawa site that they have AS clutch. But not the Versys650.
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Back in the old days we needed that engine braking cause those weediddledinky drum brakes would heat up and fade in the first twenty yards. Now that brakes are so much better, I still engine brake just for the fun of it. I can see a slipper clutch if you're trying to shave your lap time... But why would the ordinary guy care?

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Keep the slipper clutch and add a center stand instead. :^)

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Thanks for the article! I've read similar writeups before, but a refresher is always handy. I came away with the same feeling I had the first time I learned about slipper clutches - neat if you are racing. But maybe I'm not pushing my machine enough to experience the down sides of a standard clutch. If I'm decelerating quickly, I'm anticipating a bit of rear wheel lock and prepared to handle it. I've never had that happen in a corner, so no worries there. I like to use engine braking and would need to adjust my riding a lot if I suddenly didn't have it anymore or it was greatly reduced. I also regularly practice clutch-less shifting, both up and down and have found it incredibly helpful in the up-shifts. I don't care what kind of clutch you have; I will be faster if I'm not pulling a lever.
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Have you guys tried a DCT equipped NC700 or Africa twin?

That dual clutch is pretty awesome. Not for the i don't need to shift automatic feature but for the F1 racecar like lightning fast shifts in manual. None of that Automatic slushbox BS a car has, it's just like a manual that shifts in 1/4 second. It doesn't play games like most cars where it'll nanny mode you when you downshift at high RPM and stop the shift. It'll shift regardless so if you want to blow up your engine it'll do it.

If you haven't tried it borrow someones bike sometime.

This coming from a longtime lover of manual everything. I have a MX-5 for a car, in manual of course. I'd take DCT in the car and the bike if I could, it's awesome and I hate automatics.
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Have you guys tried a DCT equipped NC700 or Africa twin?

That dual clutch is pretty awesome. Not for the i don't need to shift automatic feature but for the F1 racecar like lightning fast shifts in manual. None of that Automatic slushbox BS a car has, it's just like a manual that shifts in 1/4 second. It doesn't play games like most cars where it'll nanny mode you when you downshift at high RPM and stop the shift. It'll shift regardless so if you want to blow up your engine it'll do it.

If you haven't tried it borrow someones bike sometime.

This coming from a longtime lover of manual everything. I have a MX-5 for a car, in manual of course. I'd take DCT in the car and the bike if I could, it's awesome and I hate automatics.
Just buy a maxi-scooter and be done with it. I don't want an automatic in sports car and definitely not on a motorcycle! They are trying to take away the skill required to operate these things. If you are not skilled enough, you shouldn't be on them IMO.

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Keep the slipper clutch and add a center stand instead. :^)
Oh please No, no no no no...
See, I like crashbars but I would never impose it to everyone.
Centerstand is very much useless to me, an hinderance actually.
Keep both your slipper clutch, centerstand, the whole LT thing, and gimme back money...
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Wasnít a huge fan of the slipper clutch I tested on the fj09 months back. Didnít feel like I was as in control decelerating. Braking, downshifting, rev matching has always been my connection with how a bike should feel and handle.

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Just buy a maxi-scooter and be done with it. I don't want an automatic in sports car and definitely not on a motorcycle! They are trying to take away the skill required to operate these things. If you are not skilled enough, you shouldn't be on them IMO.
A Maxi scooter uses a CVT which is completely different other than having the word "automatic". We're talking a totally different set of technology that enables lighting fast shifts better than any human being can execute no matter the skill.

Yes is has automatic mode that new/less skilled users would be attracted too. I'm not new or inexperienced on motorcycles and found the manual mode to be extremely fun and added capability on a twisty road. I totally enjoyed the F1 car shifting experience.

I don't think Honda is trying to take aways peoples skills. They're providing options.

A scary fact is 95% or better of younger car driver's are using automatics. The fact that they don't know how to drive nor want to deal with a clutch probably keeps a ton of them away from motorcycles. You could say that's a good thing but I don't think a shrinking market is a good thing. Honda's addressed this with the DCT for people who DON'T want to ride a maxi scooter, they want to ride a motorcycle.

Hopefully they put it in something sportier than the NC700x or the AT. The AT handles like a giraffe on ice and the NC700x has the worlds more boring engine (although that gas mileage is sick).

If they built a versys-like bike out of a CBR600RR with DCT I'd be coming through a dealer wall like the cool aid man because the door was tooo sloooow with fists full of cash!
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A Maxi scooter uses a CVT which is completely different other than having the word "automatic". We're talking a totally different set of technology that enables lighting fast shifts better than any human being can execute no matter the skill.

Yes is has automatic mode that new/less skilled users would be attracted too. I'm not new or inexperienced on motorcycles and found the manual mode to be extremely fun and added capability on a twisty road. I totally enjoyed the F1 car shifting experience.

I don't think Honda is trying to take aways peoples skills. They're providing options.

A scary fact is 95% or better of younger car driver's are using automatics. The fact that they don't know how to drive nor want to deal with a clutch probably keeps a ton of them away from motorcycles. You could say that's a good thing but I don't think a shrinking market is a good thing. Honda's addressed this with the DCT for people who DON'T want to ride a maxi scooter, they want to ride a motorcycle.

Hopefully they put it in something sportier than the NC700x or the AT. The AT handles like a giraffe on ice and the NC700x has the worlds more boring engine (although that gas mileage is sick).

If they built a versys-like bike out of a CBR600RR with DCT I'd be coming through a dealer wall like the cool aid man because the door was tooo sloooow with fists full of cash!
I always drove manual cars / trucks because automatics added between 10 and 25% to the cost of the car depending on what years we are talking about. The latest truck and car didn't even have a manual option. At least the truck still has crank windows. I have no interest in F1 shifting or fast shifting. I don't ride on race tracks. I ride on the public roads and respect the privilege to continue to ride on them.

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I don't ride on race tracks. I ride on the public roads and respect the privilege to continue to ride on them.
Really? I guess quicker smoother shifting is the gateway to hooliganism. Or just nice to have.
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Really? I guess quicker smoother shifting is the gateway to hooliganism. Or just nice to have.
Never ever thought I needed quicker smoother shifting. Oh well.

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