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Hi! I'm thinking about getting the T-Rex Engine Guard / Crash Cage. I do have one odd question though... Do they make a dropped Versys 650 harder to pick up? I dropped mine in a Zero speed (and zero brains) mishap in my garage. I'm 6' 2" and 220 lbs., but I'm also 65 years old and messing up my back real badly is not an option. If it makes the bike harder to pickup than it already is I might not get them.

What do you guys think? I'm sure none of you have actually dropped a bike, but maybe some of you "have a friend" that may have first hand experience.
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I actually JUST installed these bars on my 650, and although Ive not tested them if they work as expected, by keeping the engine and fairings off the ground, I would think the bars would be higher off of the ground, than it would be without the cage, once its down.


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Anything that gives you some angle is good...unless the crash bars cause a negative angle (I've never seen any).

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I will say they don't hurt, and probably actually help.

How did you lift the bike? This video is the propper way to do it.

Our V's have way more angle and make this a thousand times easier than this But this is the way to do it.
Ass on the seat, 1 hand on bars, one hand on grab rail. Its all thigh muscle and 0% back. You literally walk the bike up. Completely controlled and stable.

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I will say they don't hurt, and probably actually help.



How did you lift the bike? This video is the propper way to do it.



Our V's have way more angle and make this a thousand times easier than this But this is the way to do it.

Ass on the seat, 1 hand on bars, one hand on grab rail. Its all thigh muscle and 0% back. You literally walk the bike up. Completely controlled and stable.



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That's for a Harley. Real bikes are easier to pick up.

I'm kidding, of course.

Picking up dropped bikes is part of any basic motorcycle safety course. This is primarily due to the fact that dropping bikes is a normal part of riding. I really don't get why manufacturers don't include drop protection from the factory.
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I actually JUST installed these bars on my 650, and although Ive not tested them if they work as expected, by keeping the engine and fairings off the ground, I would think the bars would be higher off of the ground, than it would be without the cage, once its down.


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Any lumpy or rough spots in the finish? I can't tell from the photos. Those bars look pretty freaking nice.

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Any lumpy or rough spots in the finish? I can't tell from the photos. Those bars look pretty freaking nice.


Nope. I was happy with the finish of them and the fact that theyre more of an eggshell finish, if they added metal flake theyd match the frame. So far Im happy with them.


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That's for a Harley. Real bikes are easier to pick up.

I'm kidding, of course.

Picking up dropped bikes is part of any basic motorcycle safety course. This is primarily due to the fact that dropping bikes is a normal part of riding. I really don't get why manufacturers don't include drop protection from the factory.
I helped a guy get his bike back up on its tires one cold dark morning. He'd missed a corner and managed to have the wheels uphill in the ditch. That was the biggest PITA I've had to deal with, just glad it wasn't my bike!

We'd have loved a nice flat surface with good traction.

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That's for a Harley. Real bikes are easier to pick up.

I'm kidding, of course.

Picking up dropped bikes is part of any basic motorcycle safety course. This is primarily due to the fact that dropping bikes is a normal part of riding. I really don't get why manufacturers don't include drop protection from the factory.
Hey harleys are real bikes!! Just think of all the trailer sales they account for.


I actually had this discussion a few weeks ago on a car forum (lots of 2wheel guys there) All of them to a 1 said it was never in their class and had no idea when I posted the same video during the convo.
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Hey harleys are real bikes!! Just think of all the trailer sales they account for.
You also have to figure most the time a Harley is dropped it's in parking lot of a bar, so there are others to help pick it up. I'm kidding, my dad has ridden a Harley for over 30 years and I've owned one as do many of my friends.
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Hey harleys are real bikes!! Just think of all the trailer sales they account for.





I actually had this discussion a few weeks ago on a car forum (lots of 2wheel guys there) All of them to a 1 said it was never in their class and had no idea when I posted the same video during the convo.
Seriously? They had all taken the course and none of them learned to pick up a bike? That's crazy!

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Thanks for the tips and encouragement

Hi, All Thanks for the tips and encouragement!
I appreciate the input and the advice on lifting. (I used the same technique as the young lady in the video but on my too smooth garage floor the bike just wanted to slide away from me.)

The thought that the bike would be a few degrees more upright if laying on the crash bars makes sense to me. And they look SO GOOD. Ill be ordering them soon!!

Thanks, again!

By the way, once again, I'm jealous because I didn't find a green Versys!
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Lucky for me dropped my bike 3 times and never had to pick it up on my own. Must have the charm, 5'6 on a tall bike ofcourse now its lowered 4.5 in all around.


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Lucky for me dropped my bike 3 times and never had to pick it up on my own. Must have the charm, 5'6 on a tall bike ofcourse now its lowered 4.5 in all around.


What kits did you use to lower and did you do both front and back? Im thinking of lowering mine as Im just barely shy of flat footed on her. Im 59 and inseam is lacking a bit. I had my saddle shaved a bit at the front of it to allow some more leg drop which helped but the lowering kits intrigue me. The owner of the shop I bought mine from talked me out of it a year ago. Id appreciate your input. Thanks


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https://motowerk.com/products/standa...for-versys-650, suspension tuning, I do have 170/60/17 on the rear does raise the rear about half inch. Must have ajuster kickstand after lower or you be like me on the 3rd drop wind caught it. https://soupysperformance.com/kawasa...ide-stand.html


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Crashbars add some minor weight, but they raise the angle a bit, unless the rubber isn't on the ground of course.

Manufacturer don't add things (and weight) for which they can't raise price, especially a crashbar on a street bike for which over 90% of buyers don't care.

This viral lifting technique (with butt against seat) is not doing it for me..

a) my back may be straight, but I end up crouched with no force in very bent legs, not to mention little grip from the heels (just try in mud or grass). And my dorsals (vertebrae between lung) suffer greatly.

b) I'd rather push with shoulders (or lift handlebar) like this guys:

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...What do you guys think? I'm sure none of you have actually dropped a bike, but maybe some of you "have a friend" that may have first hand experience....
Me? Nope, NEVER happened.



Fellow driving a pickup helped me get it back on its tires.

When I rode a KLR650, I dropped it in the woods in the Rockies, handlebars LOW. I tried to "spin it around" to get the tires to the LOW point, but I couldn't.

Headed into the woods till I found a 4' long heavy branch, then used THAT as a lever to get the bike up enough that I could get my legs UNDER it (resting just above my knees!), and then I was able to get it UP.

Called myself a dumbsh*t a BUNCH of times over that incident!

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he cheated Now try those lift without luggage rack bike is negative tilt or flat and heavy stress just come out of a crash.
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Just thought Id add this as Im working on installing the STS Smart Turn module. NO problem with the T-Rex bars on getting the fairings off. I was very happy to learn this! Thought yall might find it interesting as well.


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Angle of lean-(lying flat on the ground) is not effected much by crash bar but by the side casing. Naked bike will have have more lower angle when lying flat on the ground and its a bit harder to pick up.

Your side casing will keep your bike a bit higher and will assist in picking up the bike. drop once but it took two to pick it up due the the angle on the ground which was a slope.

Best, try not to drop it if you are on a sole ride..
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