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Got rear ended the other evening. Most of impact hit rear wheel and bike is now at dealer for appraisal. Not sure if bike is a write off yet or not. Anyone have any idea what to look for as far as damage goes. In particular how to check for frame or swing arm alignment?
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When my '09 'wrecked', I noticed it first in how the rear-brakes were NOT getting uniform 'wear' around the disc.


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When my '09 'wrecked', I noticed it first in how the rear-brakes were NOT getting uniform 'wear' around the disc.

It seemed to squirt some brake fluid on my rear tire. Not sure why at this point.
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Don't be surprised if your insurance company writes-off your bike. Parts and labor are expensive. They will assume the worst for "hidden" damages. When they do that, it is easy to exceed 80% of the bikes current market value on paper. This is what they are trying to do with my wife's car after a minor "not-at-fault" fender bender. I'm arguing with them, but will probably end up on the loosing side.

Insurance and taxes are very similar - we get to constantly pay, but rarely collect.

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Hope you are OK, thats quite a bit of damage the car has, Id assume it did some frame damage to the bike.
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Bloody hell...hope you weren't injured, but it had to have been a heck of a jolt. I'd also assume that the frame was tweaked in some way...the force of that hit had to go somewhere.

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I hate reading these posts. Hope you are OK, and the driver is fully insured.

I am surprised that the passenger side of the car took the hit. Were they trying to get in the left turn lane when they hit you?

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I would think that there would be some serious swing arm/frame damage from that one. Good thing you're still talking/walking.
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I hate reading these posts.
I used to feel the same way. Then someone who is a "glass half full" kind of person pointed out that the accident victim was able to post. The outcome could have been much worse than a disposable piece of hardware being broken. Sure, it is not good that the accident happened, and the bureaucratic insurance hassle will have to be dealt with, but it is better than the alternative.

Now, when I hear a police, ambulance or fire truck siren I think "Help is on the way!"
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Wow every riders nightmare ...To be hit from behind while sitting still..Hope the bikes not too damaged but glad you weren't damaged .....

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Having been in a similar position coming up on a bike with traffic in front of bike at night, it is easy to become focused on the bright brake lights of the line of stopped cars ahead and not notice there is a bike between you and the stopped cars when all you can see is a much dimmer tail light between bright tail lights. I suspect this is what happened. I switched lanes in slow moving traffic ~7 seconds or so before I was hit. I was in the right part of the lane. Saw the guy coming but he was a fair ways back and assumed he would be slowing for the traffic. I switched from a stopped lane and did not speed up much as there was a line of stopped cars in the lane I switched to 100 feet ahead. Not sure but some supper bright brake lights might have helped. 18 year old kid driving the car was obviously going way to fast for conditions. It is one of those accidents that as a motorcycle rider you can't really prevent by being vigilant or driving defensively.

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Having been in a similar position coming up on a bike with traffic in front of bike at night, it is easy to become focused on the bright brake lights of the line of stopped cars ahead and not notice there is a bike between you and the stopped cars when all you can see is a much dimmer tail light between bright tail lights. I suspect this is what happened. I switched lanes in slow moving traffic ~7 seconds or so before I was hit. I was in the right part of the lane. Saw the guy coming but he was a fair ways back and assumed he would be slowing for the traffic. I switched from a stopped lane and did not speed up much as there was a line of stopped cars in the lane I switched to 100 feet ahead. Not sure but some supper bright brake lights might have helped. 18 year old kid driving the car was obviously going way to fast for conditions. It is one of those accidents that as a motorcycle rider you can't really prevent by being vigilant or driving defensively.
I add skenedesign lights on the rear of my bikes for that extra brightness and visibility.

I added admorelighting LED lights to my GIVI V35 bags for extra visibility.

I also never ride in the right hand side of a lane when coming to a stop unless I am with another rider who is in the left hand side.

Bright reflective riding gear at night at all times.

Once I know that traffic in front of me is slowing or stopping my eyes constantly scan my rear view mirrors for hazards behind me.

Hopefully the kid was cited and fully insured.

None of my actions will stop someone from hitting me, but hopefully will reduce the probability a little bit.

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Got rear ended the other evening. Most of impact hit rear wheel and bike is now at dealer for appraisal. Not sure if bike is a write off yet or not. Anyone have any idea what to look for as far as damage goes. In particular how to check for frame or swing arm alignment?
This link may help you, however it still may be difficult to detect small variances using this method.

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/h...rage-tech-tips

Be sure to follow the point(s) of impact to see if items "upstream" are affected (i.e. - stress to welds, distortion at swingarm pivot point, etc.). The photo doesn't show much, as far as side view, so it's difficult to comment on what else may be affected from viewing. Key point: always look for the hidden or less obvious damage, that may follow the path of impact.
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This link may help you, however it still may be difficult to detect small variances using this method.

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/h...rage-tech-tips

Be sure to follow the point(s) of impact to see if items "upstream" are affected (i.e. - stress to welds, distortion at swingarm pivot point, etc.). The photo doesn't show much, as far as side view, so it's difficult to comment on what else may be affected from viewing. Key point: always look for the hidden or less obvious damage, that may follow the path of impact.
I use the string alignment method to align my rear wheel after chain adjustments.
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damn! Greg, glad you're ok. Bike is replaceable.
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Not sure but some supper bright brake lights might have helped.
I added $3 Chinese brake light flasher just for this particular reason.
I noticed people give me a bit more space with it.

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Having been in a similar position coming up on a bike with traffic in front of bike at night, it is easy to become focused on the bright brake lights of the line of stopped cars ahead and not notice there is a bike between you and the stopped cars when all you can see is a much dimmer tail light between bright tail lights. I suspect this is what happened. I switched lanes in slow moving traffic ~7 seconds or so before I was hit. I was in the right part of the lane. Saw the guy coming but he was a fair ways back and assumed he would be slowing for the traffic. I switched from a stopped lane and did not speed up much as there was a line of stopped cars in the lane I switched to 100 feet ahead. Not sure but some supper bright brake lights might have helped. 18 year old kid driving the car was obviously going way to fast for conditions. It is one of those accidents that as a motorcycle rider you can't really prevent by being vigilant or driving defensively.
Ugh. Yeah, it's all too easy to get lost in a sea of brake lights. I've added admore lights to my top case that flash for 5 seconds when I hit the brake initially, and also have reflective tape on it and the side bags. Anything to get someone's attention. Would it have helped? Don't know, but I don't think it would have hurt.

Also, if you have a top case with red lens on it, note that they are not reflective when delivered from the factory. I realized that when I came up behind another bike with a case like mine at night in my car, and noticed that the case wasn't reflective at all. Didn't take me long to rectify that on my own case...

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Wow every riders nightmare ...To be hit from behind while sitting still..Hope the bikes not too damaged but glad you weren't damaged .....
A couple on a Harley, stopped at a traffic light in Kelowna, BC were rear-ended by a cage-driver, BOTH killed, a couple of years back, in the DAYTIME!



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A couple on a Harley, stopped at a traffic light in Kelowna, BC were rear-ended by a cage-driver, BOTH killed, a couple of years back, in the DAYTIME!



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I dont understand how filtering isnt already legal because of things like this... Makes my blood pressure rise.


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I dont understand how filtering isnt already legal because of things like this... Makes my blood pressure rise.
I was already on edge of lane and driver had room to pass between me and barricade at side of road if they wished but they still hit. Not sure how lane filtering would have helped.
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I was already on edge of lane and driver had room to pass between me and barricade at side of road if they wished but they still hit. Not sure how lane filtering would have helped.
Assuming you aren't already at the front of the line, go between the cars to the front, maybe hear the screeech and crunch behind you and muse at how being at the back of the line would really suck at that point in time.... Carry on with your day.....
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