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Ok to run the Versys out of fuel?

I rode 450 kms today of the Versys 650 then I refilled and it took 17.2 ltrs to fill.

So that means I still had apx 4 ltrs remaining.

So if that is the case I should be able to get apx 550 klms from a full tank.

I'm thinking I would like to completely run it out and just see how far I can get from a full tank.

Is it ok to do this? I would think that it would be?
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I rode 450 kms today of the Versys 650 then I refilled and it took 17.2 ltrs to fill.

So that means I still had apx 4 ltrs remaining.

So if that is the case I should be able to get apx 550 klms from a full tank.

I'm thinking I would like to completely run it out and just see how far I can get from a full tank.

Is it ok to do this? I would think that it would be?
Yes the title makes no sense. A little fuel pump 101, it's purpose is to maintain pressure , you will notice if you have ever taken the tank off that it is very small and FYI smaller usually = more $. The fuel pump is cooled using fuel from the tank, so when you are almost out, the pump will spin freely for seconds however it will heat up drastically, usually ceasing before the motor quits. Very expensive lesson to learn.
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I've run out of gas before on other bikes, although not intentionally! Won't hurt it. I assume you have a plan to not be stranded, lol?

Edit: Don't do it intentionally, see the below posts. Thanks all for clarifying it'll damage the fuel pump.
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Yes the title makes no sense. A little fuel pump 101, it's purpose is to maintain pressure , you will notice if you have ever taken the tank off that it is very small and FYI smaller usually = more $. The fuel pump is cooled using fuel from the tank, so when you are almost out, the pump will spin freely for seconds however it will heat up drastically, usually ceasing before the motor quits. Very expensive lesson to learn.
I didn't know that. Thanks, good to learn something new. Haven't run out of gas or even much below 1/4 tank in years!
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I didn't know that. Thanks, good to learn something new. Haven't run out of gas or even much below 1/4 tank in years!
Thanks for adding the second post, this forum is about sharing knowledge , much rather be riding than waiting for parts.
The bottom of section 3 page 100 is a Notice
Do not drive the fuel pump 3 seconds or more without the fuel in the tank. If the fuel pump is driven without the fuel it may be damaged.
They don't go on and explain it, but what I said is what happens. Just remember the pump is getting some heat from the motor as well, FYI the 3 seconds I wasn't aware of, just knew not to run out. I think the lowest I have been is 2 liters left in the tank.
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Any fuel pump that is electric should never be run dry!!

They use the fuel for lubrication and cooling as stated above.

It may not damage it right away but will shorten its life and they are all very expensive. It is a lot of work to change one on a car or truck with a large tank. You usually have to drop the tank and they fail just after you did a fill up.
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like others have said dont do it... my husband liked to run his car dry and i had to replace the fuel pump in it a few times due to running it dry

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Damn good info, I guess things have changed! Thanks for sharing, guys!
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Thanks for adding the second post, this forum is about sharing knowledge , much rather be riding than waiting for parts.
Amen to that!
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like others have said dont do it... my husband liked to run his car dry and i had to replace the fuel pump in it a few times due to running it dry
I ruined several fuel pumps in my Ford F150 (has TWO tanks!), as I would run one tank dry then switch to the other.

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I didn't know that either.

thank you for the replys.
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I ruined several fuel pumps in my Ford F150 (has TWO tanks!), as I would run one tank dry then switch to the other.

VERY "SPENDY"...!

why i like my good old mechanical fuel pump and carb in my old truck. ran it empty a couple times and its fine ( also two tanks) its the electric fuel pumps thats a no no for

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That is why we don't have a petcock with a reserve setting. Every time you would run the main position to the bottom the pump would run dry and damage it. Now all fuel injected bikes and cars just have a low level light.

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Why can you not simply calculate this from average mileage and fuel tank capacity?
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Why can you not simply calculate this from average mileage and fuel tank capacity?
With my top case and side cases, a windy day affects my mileage by 20%, also if I am in stop and go traffic it is reduced, going over 100KM/HR also reduces it. The fuel gauge on the Versys is non linear , it takes about 25% longer to drop to the 5th bar from full if you fill up to the neck of the tank , because the level gauge can only read to it's maximum setting ( I get about 0.76 liter more above full)and from the last bar of the fuel gauge to the warning flashing.

The warning has a maximum of 6 liters, looked at 5 different receipts, I get 0.76 liters above full when I fill up, all my receipts are 15.36 to 15.76 liters added when filling up, usually I know by the 1 bar gauge how far I can go before the warning, the 15.76 I was 10KM away from fuel when it started flashing.I use a 60KM to a maximum of 80 KM rule for gas when the warning starts flashing. If I am up North, I never run below 1 to 2 bars , as it can easily be over 200 KM to the next fuel.
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Why can you not simply calculate this from average mileage and fuel tank capacity?
On MY Gen 3 I run the TRIP COMPUTOR on RANGE, which gives me a pessimistic (MY experience is that I could go FARTHER!) indicator of how much further I can go to TANK EMPTY.

Depending of where I am as to how far I'm willing to go before I re-fuel....


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