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Can any of the forum members can explain to me why at 2012 most manufactures on most models (even the new once) does not display the gear indication on the panel. They all have it in the motorcycle computer, even on the diagnostic port, it does not cost any extra (not a sent) to them. just to add it on each new panel when they design it. I just cannot understand it. there should be a good answer to this, No?
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I had this thought about auto makers too. Does it really cost more to make soft pleasant plastic interiors than hard plastic? Or to make gear indicators for manual cars? I'm sure there are many factors, but part of it is perceived value and demand. By making things like a gear indicator standard, they increase the expectations of what you get for a certain amount of money.

Instead, they'd rather upsell you to a higher level model where you get those bells and whistles along with other options and pay a premium on the overall package, increasing their margins, even if they're using the same computer in all models. This is actually a fairly common business practice. Even computer CPU and RAM chips follow this model...

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Cost is probably the main factor.

Suzuki puts an outside air temp indicator on some of their bikes which is a really great feature, especially in cooler weather when you are trying to match gear to weather. For instance it would be nice to know precisely at what temp I need to turn on my heated liner or at what temp/speed it gets too cold for perforated leather without guessing. I'm not a big fan of gear indicators though. They don't work when you are stopped and trying to downshift to first because they need input from the speedo. I normally shift by RPM. With bikes I've driven with a gear indicator, it was more of a curiosity to confirm what gear you were in than a useful tool.

I've never found the need for a gear indicator in a manual trans car. The shift lever position should tell you what gear you are in, something you can normally determine by feel with a little familiarity.

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If gear indicators are part of the original bike they do show the gear when stopped. It is only the aftermarket indicators that don't.

I got off a 1981 Suzuki GS1000 to the V and found the gear indicator on my very old bike to be a great asset, especially in city traffic. I'm with the OP in this one. The V gives me two trip meters, the fuel guage has the letter F as well as a pump icon, it has high beam and turn signal indicators on the dash, why not catch up to my old 1981 bike and put on a gear indicator?

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If gear indicators are part of the original bike they do show the gear when stopped. It is only the aftermarket indicators that don't.

I got off a 1981 Suzuki GS1000 to the V and found the gear indicator on my very old bike to be a great asset, especially in city traffic. I'm with the OP in this one. The V gives me two trip meters, the fuel guage has the letter F as well as a pump icon, it has high beam and turn signal indicators on the dash, why not catch up to my old 1981 bike and put on a gear indicator?
I recently tested a new Suzuki Bandit 1200 and the gear indicator did not function when stopped.
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Wish the Versys had a gear indicator also... but,

It has to be the easiest bike I've ever owned to figure out the gear with the 44T rear sprocket installed.

Around town, I'm usually in 3rd or 4th. at 4k rpm and I'm doing 40, I'm in 4th. At 3k rpm and doing 30 mph, I'm in 4th.

basically if the rpm and speed match, 4th. If the speed is less, 3rd.

But would still like to have one. I took off a couple of times in 2nd, just spaced out that I made that tight turn in 2nd and stopped. It wasn't a problem but I still don't like doing it.
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Gear indicators only work with the clutch released. The only time i wish i had one was to tell if i am in high gear.

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I've never found the need for a gear indicator in a manual trans car. The shift lever position should tell you what gear you are in, something you can normally determine by feel with a little familiarity.
Nor have I, but it's a fun little bell that I enjoyed when I test drove a Subaru (Legacy I think). There are occasional times when I'm focusing on something else and try to shift, only realizing I'm already in the gear I want to shift to...

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Gear indicators only work with the clutch released. The only time i wish i had one was to tell if i am in high gear.
To check if I'm in 6th gear, I divide the revs by 500, then multiply by 7 (MPH) or 11 (KM/H).

For instance - 5,000 rpm/ 500 = 10 (x 7) = 70 mph INDICATED, or
5,000 rpm/ 500 = 10 (x 11) = 110 kph INDICATED. 6,000 is 12; 3,500 is 7; etc. These work out very well for me, and the math is pretty quick.

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I recently tested a new Suzuki Bandit 1200 and the gear indicator did not function when stopped.
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Gear indicators only work with the clutch released. The only time i wish i had one was to tell if i am in high gear.
If this is the case then they have gone backwards since my 1981 Suzuki. On that bike the gear indicator operated as a multi-contact switch on the gear selector shaft and worked at any time.

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To check if I'm in 6th gear, I divide the revs by 500, then multiply by 7 (MPH) or 11 (KM/H).

For instance - 5,000 rpm/ 500 = 10 (x 7) = 70 mph INDICATED, or
5,000 rpm/ 500 = 10 (x 11) = 110 kph INDICATED. 6,000 is 12; 3,500 is 7; etc. These work out very well for me, and the math is pretty quick.
People tell my that I should be able to do this, but having dyslexia that refuses to let me do much with numbers my head just won't do it. I can cope with a simple dash readout between 1 and 6 - I can't work out speedo/tacho relationships on the fly.

I remember standing at an airport desk one time when a very earnest young man tried to tell me how to swap between 12hour/24 hour time (another simple math thing my head will not do on the fly). I stood very politely while he described what I know is very simple, then I walked away and let him think he's managed to educate the new village idiot.

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I just got a V and wish they had self canceling turn signals. I love that feature on my meanstreak keep forgetting to turn off the verseys signal. I also enjoy being able to remove the key after start up on my meanstreak.....
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Oh yeah, self cancelling blinkers. That 1981 Suzuki I mentioned - it had self cancelling blinkers. Now I'm sounding like one of those old guys who keeps going on about the 'good old days'.

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My 1983 KZ550 had them too. Wish the versys had them. Feel like an idiot when I leave them on.

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Can any of the forum members can explain to me why at 2012 most manufactures on most models (even the new once) does not display the gear indication on the panel.
Because, other than neutral, it doesn't matter which gear you're in as long as you're in the right gear for the circumstances. Would it be nice to have a gear indicator? I suppose. Is it necessary? No, which is why most manufacturers don't bother unless it's a pricey model.


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To check if I'm in 6th gear, I divide the revs by 500, then multiply by 7 (MPH) or 11 (KM/H).

For instance - 5,000 rpm/ 500 = 10 (x 7) = 70 mph INDICATED, or
5,000 rpm/ 500 = 10 (x 11) = 110 kph INDICATED. 6,000 is 12; 3,500 is 7; etc. These work out very well for me, and the math is pretty quick.
The method I use is:
4th goes 40 mph at 4000rpm (or 50 @ 5000)
5th goes 50 mph at 4000rpm (or 60 @ 5000)
6th goes 60 mph at 4000rpm (or 70 @ 5000)

That usually gets me close enough to figure out where I am when I'm cruising.

Works in the car to (but at 2000 or 2500 rpm depending on the transmission)

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