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Versys in the sand

Does anyone have ride the Versys in the sand?
I love to drive my bike (and I think I drive it quite well) but when I went to see the Dakar, there were many sand roads and drive the Versys there was really a nightmare. I had no control over the bike (although going very slow) and I felt very mad about it ...
I was thinking whether it will be because the bike is too heavy, or because the front wheel is 17 "x 120 (not a 19" or 21") or simply because I don't know to drive on the sand...
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Front end does wash out (understeer) easily on sand with stock or street tires.
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I don't drive my bike, I ride it. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Barely got the bike out of this sand.



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IMHO, sand riding is difficult, even on a light weight dirt bike. I can't imagine how hard it would be on my V. Tires and experience might help, but sand always wears me out a lot faster than normal riding conditions. Hope this helps
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I know it's difficult and takes practice... but I'm afraid to ride it faster in the sand... as soon as the front wheel enters to the sand, it's like... I don't know how to explain it in English but I'm sure you have experienced the same... the uphill from the picture was a mess although maybe it doesn't look so difficult.
I will keep trying... thank you Folks!
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Damn. That's a hell of a lot of sand!

You're on Pirelli MT60's?
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There are a few tricks to sand riding.
First when i doubt go faster
Dont try and fight the bars let the bike move off line if it wants unless you going straight for a tree don't be concerned.
Go faster, when you go lower its gets harder.
When you want to slow down don't brake keep the revs up but just down shift a gear or two, backing off the throttle brings the front wheel down and it gets harder.

What ever you mind tells you... go against it, riding sand is all about keeping on the gas.
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I once rode a bit of sandy road that was not far from fesh-fesh.
Front end washed out before I could say 'what the..'
I was fighting front and back end with my feet down the whole length. Not fun for me.
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It did not go well for me riding on a sandy beach
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There are a few tricks to sand riding.
First when i doubt go faster
Dont try and fight the bars let the bike move off line if it wants unless you going straight for a tree don't be concerned.
Go faster, when you go lower its gets harder.
When you want to slow down don't brake keep the revs up but just down shift a gear or two, backing off the throttle brings the front wheel down and it gets harder.

What ever you mind tells you... go against it, riding sand is all about keeping on the gas.
I agree 100%. Throttle is your friend, brakes are the enemy. It always helped me to ride standing up, lets the bike do its thing without me losing my balance so easy.
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You're right Ivan... it's no fun at all... I spend more than 30 minutes in that road and finally I decided to turn around (Gary was very kind following me...)

Invader... yes, peruvian coast is just sand and dunes... but if you go East, in an hour or two you can reach about (+/-) 4000 meters high.... and if you continues, you reach the rain forest... it's fun to ride here! BTW, yes... I'm using MT-60's... very good tires!

I have seen some dudes riding their bikes standing up, looks like it helps in some way... I will try to practice although I'm sure it will be not fun at the begining... but will help for future (sandy) rides.

it is what it is...

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Stand up, lean back to lighten the front end and try not steer to much with the front tire. Use wheel spin to change direction. If you feel that you are going to crash, just pin it. It may not solve the problem, but it will end the suspense.
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Sand on my V? Not 4 me!
Too heavy, wheels and tyres not good .
Maybe with a lightest dirty byke....

II also think the day after, when I will have to clean up the byke: sand everywhere, stuck on chain links and sproket ...

Nobody thinks that something is so easy like who is totally unable to do it.

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I'm with Daffy!
The above advice about speed (lots of it), throttle (more of it), braking (avoid), bar steering (also avoid), peg steering (while gassin' it!), and body position is all terrific.

If you're riding a dirtbike.
Keep in mind that, styling licks aside, the Versys has a lot more in common with the Ninja650 than the KLX650. Weight, weight distribution, and chassis geometry all conspire to make the Versys terrible on soft surfaces. As someone who has yet to master sand riding, applying the dirtbike technique of of "lean back and pin it" to your V (sportbike on stilts) is likely gonna lead to some spectacular crashes. And, as it's NOT a dirtbike, quite a few broken parts.
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As in all things, experience couts. That said, I hates riding sand. My experience on the Versys in sand, is not if you're going to dump it, but when.

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Be very careful riding in the sand. Last June The wife and I took a 2mph spill in deep sand in the Davy Crocket National Forest..The damage to the bike was zero,damage to the wife's tib and fib.$100,000. The panniers on the V did a job on the wifes leg. She no longer rides the gravel and sand roads.And I can't blame her for not wanting too.Ride Safe.

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It's true that experience in sand is important... also the riding tips... and the fact that the Versys is not a KLR is more than true.
I think I will try to keep away from sand... as far as I can.

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Sands tricky if your in a car. Use to run sandy back roads in South Carolina in a 68 Mustang. One day hit a turn with some really deep sand and it pitch me into an embakment on the side of the road. Not fun at all...

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Stand up, lean back to lighten the front end and try not steer to much with the front tire. Use wheel spin to change direction. If you feel that you are going to crash, just pin it. It may not solve the problem, but it will end the suspense.
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