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4 fellow riders killed

Just read where 4 HD riders were killed and many more injured while on a ride in S. California here is a link to the latest news. Lets remember them and their families in our prayers.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/14/cal...cyle.accident/

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A bad day in SoCal all the way around. Wife was caught in a backup from an accident in City of Industry late afternoon yesterday, a bike and 2 SUVs, the rider died and his passenger is hurt bad...

http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/
(since this is a news ticker link, not sure how long it will stay up)

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RIP riders...Just an observation on the group HDers...More than once in my life I have been behind a group of HD riders that are going well below the speed limit and are strung out for a quarter of a mile...Drove everyone bat**** behind them...Cagers following them did passes that were brutally dangerous to get around them...I suspect that is what happened here...

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Well I worked El Centro and Calexico in the Border Patrol for 8 years. I can tell you that that particular stretch of highway is not great for passing and pretty close to the border. Also, the direction the gold Honda was going (westbound), he was headed to I-8 and nearly to it. Why pass?? He could go as fast as he wanted in a short time once he got on the interstate, and then to not even stop and assist anyone that's injured??
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Impatient, inconsiderate and downright ruthlessness, leading to tragic results. What a senseless loss of life! Terrible shame! My thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved.

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As contractor stated, a cruiser group put-putting along has to be one of the most dangerous riding scenarios possible. It's a shame for everyone involved though and the driver of the Honda is a true douche-bag.
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Sad, thoughts and prayers to the families of those riders and the passenger of the auto.
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G** d**!

I hate to hear this. I really do. It is horrible that any body lost their life doing something they love let alone our wonderful sport/activity. However, this is just another black eye on us who ride safely and respectfully to those around us. God rest their soles and his comfort to their families for their loss.

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Heres some questions I would ask:

What was on the other side of the road that Avenger didn't have a shoulder?

If there was a shoulder: why didn't the Avenger slam on his brakes and pull onto the shoulder?

Why did the Avenger think going head on into a group on bikes was better than hitting the Civic?

Why do motorcycle packs feel like 10 miles under the speed limit, travelling in a long cluster is a good idea?

Why didn't the motorcycles slow down to let the Civic back in?

How can you not track down a GOLD late model Civic?

Why isn't someone curb stomping the driver of the Civic right now?

Like many motorcycle books say there is no such thing as accident, just tragic avoidable events. We can trace the fault to the Civic for passing without enough distance available, or the Avenger for panicking and choosing an unfortunate course of action. However, you can also trace some of the blame to the motorcycle pack hogging the road, and making it difficult to over take them. I get annoyed with the packs in my area sometimes. I can see a more ignorant driver losing it, and trying to pass without paying attention to oncoming, especially they have been stuck behind them for a while.

I know this is a motorcycle forum, and they were the victims, and are they dead, and it's in poor taste saying anything negative about the victim in the United States, especially if they were following the 'law'. However, from the cruiser packs that I've observed in the friendly south, they probably weren't exactly blame free.

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Snarky,

I can comment on why they struggle to find the gold Honda. The place this happened is at the base of the mountains and the only real law enforcement out there is the Border Patrol. CHP has 3 or 4 officers total covering the total Imperial Valley with one or two probably on duty. The nearest one might be up to 30 minutes away even running code. By the time law enforcement gets there, taking care of the injured is priority number one obviously. Essentially by the time word goes out on the make and model vehicle, an hour realistically could have gone by. The Honda was probably around 5-10 min from I-8. From there he could head west and get to San Diego inside of an hour, or head east and get off at any El Centro exit inside of 30 min and disappear in town. In short, it's kind of like looking for a needle in a haystack short of "getting lucky" or getting a tip from someone. Hope it helps, bud.
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The cars were at fault, at least as far as one can tell from the news report, but it also has to be the dumbest way to ride a motorcycle JMHO.
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I'm trying to figure out where in the article you guys read they were doing 10mph under the speed limit. Right now it just looks like you're being a bunch of assholes about a group of riders that died at the hands of uncaring cagers.

Great way to show solidarity.

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Nobody to blame except the driver of the gold Honda, probably hiding in Mexico.

Update: The driver of the white Avenger is being held for DUI.

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Sorry for your loss to all the families involved in this tragedy! May we all learn from this incident and pass a prayer out to those in sorrow.


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Great way to show solidarity.
Solidarity vs. intelligence? Sorry, I'll take intelligence every time. BTW, virtually every post expressed compassion for the loss of life, as well as outrage at the conduct of the fleeing driver. But what use are these stories if we can't try to learn something from them?
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Disturbing for sure. Poor decissions by some people.

I see they were a 10 yr old riding group. I wonder what their rules for group riding were?

HD groups around here ride bar-end to bar-end in close formation no more than a bike length between rows (that is why they are going slow) and they aggressively keep anyone from getting by. Getting angry when being disrepected by someone passing the group.

I have never seen these groups wave other faster riders by.

Around here there are multi bike pile-ups all summer long. They never acknowledge that their group riding rules are the cause of their problems.
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RIP Brothers and may god be with those who lost their loved ones.

A sad day for all bikers.
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I'm trying to figure out where in the article you guys read they were doing 10mph under the speed limit. Right now it just looks like you're being a bunch of assholes about a group of riders that died at the hands of uncaring cagers.

Great way to show solidarity.
You are one classy dude. We ALL like being called an asshole, now and then. It gives us hope that one day we can be an HD rider like you.

Then we can have solidarity.

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More info on this brutal accident...Apparently the Dodge driver did swerve onto the shoulder, but over corrected and shot across the road and nailed the riders.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

Godspeed riders and Prayers for injured...They have a long, painful journey ahead

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