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Spoked wheels.

Has anyone thought about doing this to make it a little more "adventuresome"?



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I just came off a bike with spokes & tubes. Not looking back. I like a tubeless setup for several reasons including plugging a flat.
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Yep, I tried with a company in CA in 2008. There is quite a bit to building it because of fabricating the center hub or finding one that would match, brake disc, etc. The cost was $$$$$$$$ (over 3500.) to consider. Anyways, I raised the front fender with a shocker bike stuff raiser kit and with with shinko 705s to handle the offroad. It works great. I also have a husky te510 and a klx450r. So, it's not that kinda of offroad machine. But the versys does great on dirt roads, gravel and some field or trails. Even crossed creeks with it. Good luck with spokes, i'm onboard if you find some.
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I just came off a bike with spokes & tubes. Not looking back. I like a tubeless setup for several reasons including plugging a flat.
There are tubeless spoked wheels, aren't the GS's tubless? also there are kits available to make your currant spoked wheel tubeless including off road bikes. I know the Globe Riders will only allow adventure bikes with spoked wheels. I'm not sure why, Anybody?
maybe there easier to repair?
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There are tubeless spoked wheels, aren't the GS's tubless? also there are kits available to make your currant spoked wheel tubeless including off road bikes. I know the Globe Riders will only allow adventure bikes with spoked wheels. I'm not sure why, Anybody?
maybe there easier to repair?
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I stand corrected! I had no idea they made a spoked wheel tubeless. I would have thought there would be no way to seal the air inside with a rim with many holes in it. Thanks for the enlightenment!
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There are tubeless spoked wheels, aren't the GS's tubless? also there are kits available to make your currant spoked wheel tubeless including off road bikes. I know the Globe Riders will only allow adventure bikes with spoked wheels. I'm not sure why, Anybody?
maybe there easier to repair?
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easier to repair and harder to break. the better to pound over rocks. dirt bikes wheels aren't spoked for style points. they are spoked to gold rims for style points.

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I stand corrected! I had no idea they made a spoked wheel tubeless. I would have thought there would be no way to seal the air inside with a rim with many holes in it. Thanks for the enlightenment!
BMW, Aprilia and now Yamaha have such wheels.

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Cleaning spoked wheels is no fun and most spoked wheels have tubes. I will never own another motor bike with spoke wheels. I do however own 5 bicycles with spoked wheels.
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easier to repair and harder to break. the better to pound over rocks. dirt bikes wheels aren't spoked for style points. they are spoked to gold rims for style points.



BMW, Aprilia and now Yamaha have such wheels.
I have owned a Moto-Guzzi with tubeless spoked wheels as well. I've never seen a mag wheel that looks as attractive as a plain old spoked wheel.
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Laced motorcycle rims

These are the traditional spoked wheels. The rims are usually made of aluminum, with the structural strength supplied by the spokes which are laced between hub and rim.

Laced motorcycle rims, besides being a real thing of beauty, are much more forgiving.They can bend without breaking, and still work. They are also much more repairable than alloy wheels, and if a rim is bent beyond repair, it can be replaced and re-laced with new spokes. Excel and Sunn rims are two common ones, and are available at any multitude of online outlets.

Whats so good about laced rims?

It is essentially a strength/flexibility issue. Like a young sapling tree will bend in high winds,so the spoke on a set of laced motorcycle rims will absorb the impact of a bump more effectively than a solid wheel, the spokes spreading the impact over a wider area of the motorcycle rims. That is why besides looking mighty fine, they are also used extensively by off road riders. A cast wheel has no give so the full force will be transmitted into the portion of the wheel at the point of impact.

http://www.motorcycleparts-accessories-andmore.com/motorcyclerims.html

Might go for a Laced wheel if its cheap, otherwise stock is good.
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Well there you have it, nice Fastoman. I too like the look of spokes but I think the Versy's wheels look good for a mag. Not too bulky looking like some. Ive been watching the GlobeRiders on TV and One of their requirements if you want to do an adventure ride with them is that your bike must have spoked wheels. the web site. http://www.globeriders.com/

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I converted my KLR's wheels to tubeless, and have successfully ridden around 10,000 kms since I did it (took me about a week, getting the silicone to cure, etc).

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I converted my KLR's wheels to tubeless, and have successfully ridden around 10,000 kms since I did it (took me about a week, getting the silicone to cure, etc).
Cool, what kit did you use for this mod and how much? the kit I saw was close to $100 per wheel. I cant remember what kit it was. for off road, on my KTM I think it would be cheaper to go with Bib Mouse inserts but I could be wrong.

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I was looking into spoked wheels last year, and found a manufacture of hubs for spoked wheels in Utah, Rad Manf. which is located south of Salt Lake.

He said that he needs a set of wheels to measure, and see if he has a hub that matches, or if he needs to make something up. If he needs to build a new hub it would be more expensive but if could get enough orders it would be a lot cheeper.

I had a guy from Vegas lined up to take his wheels up to be measured but it never hapened.

I might be headed down there in Jan. and thinking I might take my Versys wheels with me.
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Cool, what kit did you use for this mod and how much? the kit I saw was close to $100 per wheel. I cant remember what kit it was. for off road, on my KTM I think it would be cheaper to go with Bib Mouse inserts but I could be wrong.

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Cost (per wheel) was about $10 for a mag wheel valve stem, and I used one tube of Permatex black silicone, plus one tube of Weathershield 35 year silicone caulk (like you'd caulk windows with). Maybe $32 TOTAL for both wheels. Took about a week per, and that's letting the silicone cure properly before moving to the next step, and testing in water (then removing the front tire a couple of times to stop leaks, and I guess I learned, because my back tire went on and DIDN'T leak!) BEFORE doing this I 'trued' the wheels.

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BTW - if anyone wants to see pictures of what I did, they're posted on DSN_klr650, and here's the link:

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Why would you do this on a KLR? If you got 10,000KM so far, great, but it seems that you have introduced about 100 additional potential failure points. What do you do when one of the silicone dabs in the rim fails and falls off? Back to a tube, I guess, or re-goop the rim and wait a week to cure? What am I missing here?

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I too had spoke wheels on my mountain bikes. Went with a tubeless kit from Stan's No-Tubes. Latex based mixture with self sealing additives. Worked great, setup was fairly easy. The only bad thing was the mixture needed to be refreshed every so often. Would be interesting to see if it would work on a M/C rim.

I was running my 29ers rigid, and the Stan's allowed me to run lower air pressures to take up some of the shock.

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try cleaning them and keeping them rust free and also limitations to tyre size you maybe stuck with those ****e dunlops
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Why would you do this on a KLR? If you got 10,000KM so far, great, but it seems that you have introduced about 100 additional potential failure points. What do you do when one of the silicone dabs in the rim fails and falls off? Back to a tube, I guess, or re-goop the rim and wait a week to cure? What am I missing here?

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The short answer: a nail in a tubeless MIGHT not even lose air, while one in a tube is INSTANT deflation.

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