I've never had a warm jacket I liked
...and it's because of removable liners.
If you buy a jacket that fits with the liner in, it's too big with the liner out. The armor sits wherever it feels like once you've taken up all the slack with the adjusters.
If you buy a jacket that fits with the liner out, it's too small with the liner in. The armor slides around on the liner. And you feel like a little kid bundled up by his mother.
The liner forces the cuffs of the shell to be huge, and you can't fit your glove gauntlet over it. With the liner out it's too much slack to take up with the velcro. With the liner in you can't even move your wrist.
My snowboard jacket has none of these problems. Its liner is integrated. It has armpit vents, not front intakes, and it has plenty of closable pocket space. It works so well as a windbreaker from cool to cold weather that I've worn it around town and on the bike, too. If it does get too cold I can put a fleece under it and it doesn't screw it up.
Why can't I get this in a bike jacket?
I'm calm like a bomb!
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