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Helmets now optional in MI

Michigan is now a helmet optional state, new law just signed.

I think it's going to increase deaths on the road and increase the already too high insurance rates here.

Anybody asks me about wearing a helmet, I tell 'em "you only got one head, right?"

Waddaya ya guys think about this?

http://www.freep.com/article/2012041...xt%7CFRONTPAGE

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Did they make this conditional on insurance coverage? The stats show helmet less riders are less likely to have insurance.


I've been riding continuously now for a number of years. I feel really uncomfortable riding without gloves, jacket, and boots. Could not imagine riding without a helmet.
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Well since it passed more power to 'em but I do feel for the people who wear protective gear if insurance rates rise for them - they shouldn't be penalized.

I like gear because I'm old enough that I won't bounce (back) like I used to and a few days ago a yellow jacket smashing itself into oblivion on my faceshield reaffirms my choice of wearing a fullface.


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Did they make this conditional on insurance coverage? The stats show helmet less riders are less likely to have insurance.

I've been riding continuously now for a number of years. I feel really uncomfortable riding without gloves, jacket, and boots. Could not imagine riding without a helmet.
I completely agree. I will on occasion ride my V from the house to the barn which is 200 ft. away without gear on to air up the tires or the like. It feels weird almost like I don't know how to shift or work the clutch lever correctly.

The article states that the helmetless rider must carry $20,000 more in coverage. Sorry, my head is worth at least twice that amount...

The bottom line is that this is a way to generate money - by promoting tourism. Ok fine, but at what expense? Oh right, it doesn't matter when politicians are making the decision 'cause they always know better.

I came across an excellent quote the other day that may or may not apply here, but it is still an excellent quote:

From time to time, we have been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?

-Ronald Reagan, 1981 Inaugural Address-


I don't mean to turn this thread political...

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If insurance wasnt a factor (them going up), I am 100% in favor of this law. If someone wants to ride without a helmet, it should be their right to. Let Natural Selection take its course.

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This will help thin the herd. Of course we'll all be paying for the brain dead individuals in the form of increased medical coverage.

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In Florida, you'll see this all day long-a sport bike rider with a 700 dollar Arai strapped to the side of his bike while rockin' the Oakleys. You have to prove you have $10,000 in medical insurance and be over 21 if pulled over here.
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"helmets optional" equates to less law. Im cool with less law. I also think there shouldnt be a seatbelt law for adults. The best part of being an adult is being able to make my own decisions, I appreciate when the government lets me do that.
It would suck if insurance rates went up for everyone (Its been proven several times that probably won't happen) but if they do, its the price we pay for freedom of decision.
Just for the record, I do wear a helmet and I do wear a seatbelt, its my decision.
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In Florida, you'll see this all day long-a sport bike rider with a 700 dollar Arai strapped to the side of his bike while rockin' the Oakleys. You have to prove you have $10,000 in medical insurance and be over 21 if pulled over here.
That is not much coverage at all on the medical. 2 years ago when I barely fractured my wrist the final $ tally when all the x-rays, cast, Dr visits and everything was done was around $6k.

I am happy that the law is revoked. I will always wear my helmet, but I want to choose if I wear it.

Yesterday I went over to CT. I am from NY where we wear helmets. A few miles after crossing into CT I saw a guy on a sportbike at a light. He had on a leather jacket/pants, leather gloves, and boots, and a pair of shades. Strapped to the side of a bike was a nice Shoei.....

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...Im cool with less law. ...The best part of being an adult is being able to make my own decisions, I appreciate when the government lets me do that. ...
I would presume that requiring everyone to drive on the right side of the road is a law that you will agree with. It is all a matter of degree as society tries to function as efficiently as possible while hopefully (at least in the USA and not all the time) not infringing upon our "unalienable rights."

If you get into a crash in New Mexico you will stand a good chance of being involved with an uninsured individual. My rates have gone through the roof as I have made my uninsured coverage equal to my liability coverage.
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"I would presume that requiring everyone to drive on the right side of the road is a law that you will agree with."

You think that if right hand traffic wasn't codified, drivers would be confused as to which way traffic was flowing?
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I would presume that requiring everyone to drive on the right side of the road is a law that you will agree with. It is all a matter of degree as society tries to function as efficiently as possible while hopefully (at least in the USA and not all the time) not infringing upon our "unalienable rights."
You would presume correctly. It is about degree. We all draw the line someplace. As I said, Im cool with LESS law. I didnt say NO law and the conversation is specifically about helmet laws. I dont think adults should be told to wear a helmet, I do think minors should. See, degrees.

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$10,000 or even $20,000 in "extra" insurance coverage would be chewed up in no time for a serious brain injury. Seems like a low threshold for making such an important safety item as a helmet into an option.

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$10,000 or even $20,000 in "extra" insurance coverage would be chewed up in no time for a serious brain injury. Seems like a low threshold for making such an important safety item as a helmet into an option.
The 10K would probably cover the life flight to the ER to be declared dead.
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"I would presume that requiring everyone to drive on the right side of the road is a law that you will agree with."

You think that if right hand traffic wasn't codified, drivers would be confused as to which way traffic was flowing?
In most Asian countries, these laws are suggestions... driving on the wrong side is common... ( the exception being Japan where driving on the wrong side is the law. )

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"I would presume that requiring everyone to drive on the right side of the road is a law that you will agree with."

You think that if right hand traffic wasn't codified, drivers would be confused as to which way traffic was flowing?
Some may be, but the point of some laws, including this one is to have an avenue of punishment if someone causes an accident while breaking said law.

If there was no law governing which side of the road we should be on, and I drove on the opposite of the accepted side it would be very easy for a lawyer to keep me from punishment.
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The 10K would probably cover the life flight to the ER to be declared dead.
When my buddy had his accident back in '08 (cage crossed the center-line), the helicopter flight co$t $30,000 I was told.

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That is not much coverage at all on the medical. 2 years ago when I barely fractured my wrist the final $ tally when all the x-rays, cast, Dr visits and everything was done was around $6k.

I am happy that the law is revoked. I will always wear my helmet, but I want to choose if I wear it.

Yesterday I went over to CT. I am from NY where we wear helmets. A few miles after crossing into CT I saw a guy on a sportbike at a light. He had on a leather jacket/pants, leather gloves, and boots, and a pair of shades. Strapped to the side of a bike was a nice Shoei.....
Let me tell you, that the idiots I see here in CT riding like fools with shorts on and "wife beater" t-shirts is amazing. The law in CT is that helmets are optional, but you do need eye protection. That way when you die they can transplant the eyes. There is also a noise law also, but the police never enforce it anywhere. So we all have to put up with the Harley losers and their straight pipes. Great, on just went by my house. Our governor is a fool in a nice suit.
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I think this article from last year pretty much sums it all up.
Always wear your helmet!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43624650.../#.T416K9WQmVo

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