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Old 02-15-2012, 12:12 PM
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Default Tiger 1050 or Versys 1000

I've had my 650 V since 2007. Love it, but want something with a little more power, while maintaining the same upright riding position, street oriented, low speed ease as the Versys 650.

I thought initially the Ninja 1000, but the riding position is to forward, and it can only take panniers or a topcase, not all three.

Now I'm looking close at the V1000 and Tiger 1050se. I won't consider the Vstrom 1000, as I don't want a 19" front.

Can anyone share their experiences good and bad with the above bikes, and how they would pick as I am on the fence right now. Also....Before anyone says Multistrada...can't afford it.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:28 PM
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Not to discount what you are saying, but why do you not want a 19 in front? I bought a used Tiger 955 not long ago to use while I was away from my V for a few months, and thought that a 19 would be less stable, harder to turn, and a bunch more preconceptions. However, I felt little to no difference where the wheels are concerned, however, the bike as a whole felt less stable due to the amount of weight up top with the additional fuel. I would recommend that bike to you if you are not opposed to go used. It had more than enough power, but not so much more than the V that it would be a huge jump to become accustomed to.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:31 PM
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I had my eye on the Tiger 1050 but without surgical leg extensions it's just too tall for me. I've ridden the Sprint ST with the same motor. There's something about a triple.
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Old 02-15-2012, 01:16 PM
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As long as you're just going street oriented I'd go ahead and consider a Kawasaki Concours 14 too. My brother & my father-in-law both have 08s that ride very smooth. Still has an upright riding position, has the ability to carry three cases easy, and is very rear passenger friendly.
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Old 02-15-2012, 02:24 PM
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Tiger 1050 anytime - with an Arrow can and db killer removed...
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:00 PM
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I have ridden the 1050, it is a sweet moto. I would say it might come down to a preference, 3 cylinder or 4? The V is probably a little wider, my guess. I found the seating position and the feel of the 1050 very much like the Versys 650, only much, much faster. It's no torgue monster down low, but once the Tiger snarls, hang on.
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:11 PM
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Not to discount what you are saying, but why do you not want a 19 in front? I bought a used Tiger 955 not long ago to use while I was away from my V for a few months, and thought that a 19 would be less stable, harder to turn, and a bunch more preconceptions. However, I felt little to no difference where the wheels are concerned, however, the bike as a whole felt less stable due to the amount of weight up top with the additional fuel. I would recommend that bike to you if you are not opposed to go used. It had more than enough power, but not so much more than the V that it would be a huge jump to become accustomed to.

I think there is a world of difference in handling between a 19" & 17" tire. I've owned both a 650 Vstom with a 19" front wheel at the same time I have owned the Versys with the 17" front wheel. In comparison, the Vstrom had to be slowed way down to even negotiate the turns the Versys can handle at a considerable speed.

I've been riding for 50 years so that's not an amateur's statement.
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Old 02-15-2012, 09:11 PM
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I think there is a world of difference in handling between a 19" & 17" tire. I've owned both a 650 Vstom with a 19" front wheel at the same time I have owned the Versys with the 17" front wheel. In comparison, the Vstrom had to be slowed way down to even negotiate the turns the Versys can handle at a considerable speed.

I've been riding for 50 years so that's not an amateur's statement.
Well you obviously have a lot more experience than me in total riding years. However, I was speaking of MY experience, and MY preconceptions. Is there WORLD of difference, I doubt it. Maybe between a 21 and a 17. Of course a 17 is going to be able to take twisties better at the envelope, but for 90 percent of the riding in the United States, there would be little difference. The OP was looking for "low speed ease" so I doubt he would be pushing it to the point to to absolutely NEED a 17. I speak from experience of riding on two continents, and 10 different countries.

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Old 02-15-2012, 09:29 PM
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If you can't wait for the completely updated 2013 Triumph Tiger 1200 to replace the aging Tiger 1050, go for a Versys 1000.

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MCN recently released this comparison between the Versys 1000, Triumph 1050 and BMW GS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpvlqdnkFe4
2012 Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200



http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/mo...orer/2012/7944

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Old 02-15-2012, 11:52 PM
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Read raving V1000 reviews in a UK bike magazine yesterday.
Only a test ride on both machines would answer your questions. Good Luck.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:58 PM
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The 1050 Tiger may be aging, but it's still an awesome bike. Only done a 1/2 hr demo ride on one, but it was a bike I considered when I bought my Versys.

Seen this MCN Video of Versys 1000 vs R1200GS vs Tiger 1050?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...kes-on-rivals/

The Tiger came in last, but they thought it was the most fun.

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I moved from a Versys to a Tiger1050 more than 2 years ago and can only tell you that there is nothing entering the market that would tempt me away. It just has so much character and grunt, so unless your decision is based on needing the latest model to hit the streets, this is probably an excellent time to pick up a really clean, low mileage Tiger1050. You won't be sorry.
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:08 AM
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i would go for the versys 1000 if it were me .... perhaps the will help
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:45 AM
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To summarize...

If you like shaft drive and want BMW "character" and "image" and have deep pockets, get the GS.

If you want a bike that is faster, more comfortable, better 2-up and offers better value for money, get the Versys 1000.

If you like handling and want more of a sport bike feel in your adventure bike, get the Tiger.

Or wait for the Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200...I'd be waiting.
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Well you obviously have a lot more experience than me in total riding years. However, I was speaking of MY experience, and MY preconceptions. Is there WORLD of difference, I doubt it. Maybe between a 21 and a 17. Of course a 17 is going to be able to take twisties better at the envelope, but for 90 percent of the riding in the United States, there would be little difference. The OP was looking for "low speed ease" so I doubt he would be pushing it to the point to to absolutely NEED a 17. I speak from experience of riding on two continents, and 10 different countries.
My apologies sir as you are correct about it being "your" experience and I was speaking from "my" experience. No offense intended.
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Don't know whether or not this will add to the info here, but it's a VERY COOL video:
http://rideatriumph.com/barber/
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:47 AM
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I'd go for a Tiger 1050. Used they're about half the price of a new Versys 1000.

You're riding a Versys 650 because you want value for money, right?
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If you can't wait for the completely updated 2013 Triumph Tiger 1200 to replace the aging Tiger 1050, go for a Versys 1000.



2012 Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200



http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/mo...orer/2012/7944
Thanks Invader, had not seen this yet. Interesting, Very Interesting....
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To summarize...

If you like shaft drive and want BMW "character" and "image" and have deep pockets, get the GS.

If you want a bike that is faster, more comfortable, better 2-up and offers better value for money, get the Versys 1000.

If you like handling and want more of a sport bike feel in your adventure bike, get the Tiger.

Or wait for the Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200...I'd be waiting.
Bones has summed this up well, but essentially the Tiger 1200 will be a direct GS competitor, a heavy tourer with off road pretenses. A Tiger 1050 has totally different appeal, lighter, definitely more road biased and far closer to a sports tourer than an adventure bike. It is lighter and more nimble than a Versys 1000, so almost a more natural step up from a 650 Versys. You need to ride them to know, and test riding a few bikes before making a decision is half the fun. Enjoy!
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:59 PM
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Bones has summed this up well, but essentially the Tiger 1200 will be a direct GS competitor, a heavy tourer with off road pretenses. A Tiger 1050 has totally different appeal, lighter, definitely more road biased and far closer to a sports tourer than an adventure bike. It is lighter and more nimble than a Versys 1000, so almost a more natural step up from a 650 Versys. You need to ride them to know, and test riding a few bikes before making a decision is half the fun. Enjoy!

You get my thinking here. Thanks for all the great discussion. I have zero off road interest, the Tiger 1200 is 3k extra for features I don't want or need. I've ridden the GS, and don't like the motor at all. They say character, to me it felt like a tractor, when I want a racier experience.

Has anyone had any negative experiences with the Tiger? The V1000 looks to be a great contender in that its got better luggage, traction control, and better bottom end. However it feels heavier, doesn't look as sharp, and will be several years to catch up to the Tiger's level of aftermarket support.
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