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Old 11-17-2012, 08:04 PM
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http://powersports.honda.com/2013/cb500x/colors.aspx


I currently ride a 07 EX500 Ninja. I have been riding since Late September, so I'm still very much a new rider. Only have about 1000 miles on the bike.

I have been in love with the Versys since before I bought the EX500. Opting for the EX for two reasons really. First; not many Versys around here. I saw none local during the time I was looking. Second; the tall seat height(I wear a 30" inseam).

I've been enjoying the 500 Ninja. The power feels adequate. Very easy bike to ride overall. My only complant is that I don't care for the riding position. It's still leaned over more than I would like. I would like an upright position where as the EX500 is still a bit leaned forward. The problem with this, is that I get a good amount of pain in my right thumb after about 45 minutes of riding.

I do not commute. I ride only paved roads so far. I really only get a chance to ride on the weekends or sometimes if work is slow during the day here and there. These rides are generally only a couple of hours or so. However, I would like to start taking some longer rides on the weekends. Maybe wake up on a Sunday morning and ride to a destination a couple of hours away and then come back. Do some geocaching, or maybe even take the bike to some National forest roads at some point(This would be nice, but still I would be mainly riding on pavement.)

I also need something I can put some panniers or hard cases on. Having no storage sucks and I get tired of wearing a backpack just to cary a trivial amount of anything.


I bought the Ninja thinking I would ride it for a year and then replace it. The new Honda 500x should be in dealerships by July 2013, and I would likely wait a little while longer still to buy it if I go that direction. Looks like the price will be around $6k.

At this point I really think that ABS is an important feature. I don't understand why it's not available on the Versys. I do practice panic braking in a parking lot near my home frequently, but realize that in the moment of panic it's quite likely to just grap a handful of brake. ABS may save me. If I'm going to get a new bike, I can't really see not wanting ABS. ABS should be available on every bike.

I know the Ninja 650 has ABS option but seems like it still is leaned forward more than I would like. The seat height seems perfect for me though. But then it would be ill suiting for the forest roads idea.

What other bikes should I be considering? Also the NC700x looks nice and has ABS option. I'm concerned about the engine though. I'm not a speed demon in any way, but I want the get up and go to be there if needed. I'm not terribly concerned with fuel economy(they're all gonna be better than my F150).

I STILL really love the Versys. If it were ABS there would be no question. Damnit Kawasaki, get your sh*t together!
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:19 PM
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I have not seen a CB 500 up close yet.
But I like what I see in the brochures.
ABS should be an OPTION on bikes. As long as its an option.
Some want it some don't.
I don't and shouldn't have to pay for it if I do not want it.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:42 PM
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I wouldn't buy a Versys without ABS either. It is just cheap cost cutting by Kawasaki USA as they know they can get away with still selling a few bikes. In Australia we only get ABS models thankfully.

The benefits of ABS are well documented.

http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr062012.html
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:31 AM
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Not that I have had to use it but I'm glad mine has ABS
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:56 AM
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To OP: have you thought about installing handlebar risers on the EX? Or changing the bar itself to something slightly higher? Almost any bike can be modified for better rider comfort. I bet few of us who have owned the Versys for any length of time haven't changed something to get it to fit us better. I've changed all the interface points: taller, wider bar, re-shaped seat, and lowered footpegs (I'm 6'2").

The EX is a great bike: very reliable, good performance, etc. It's almost got a retro vibe to it now too, which is cool. All you need is a bungee net to get the knapsack off your back and onto the passenger seat.

I guess the thing about ABS is you could have an equipped bike for 10 years and never have it activate, then the very next day it could save you from a crash. Personally I prefer the simplicity of non-ABS. I'd rather wear the gear and work on my skills (I can still say that after 15 years of riding).
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:16 AM
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It looks like the CB500x might be a good choice.
http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/11/12...0x-first-look/
So maybe $6500 with ABS? That's not too bad...
Performance might be similar to the NC700x, and to get ABS on that bike (at least in the states) you'd be looking at 9 grand, as it's only available with the DCT option.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:32 AM
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I have a 30" inseam and my Versys with Speedy's lowering kit fits me like a glove. That being said, don't rule out a Versys... Trust me on this one...

Regarding the Honda CB500X... Click here for my opinion so far..

I will not knock a 500cc MC. They are quite capable machines. It is sharp looking from the photos. A test ride should provide you an answer.. For my use, including some freeway time I believe the 650+cc bikes are better suited. Around town and short sprints on the highway, a 500cc bike should do fine. I tend to like mid to small size bikes.

Your search sounds exciting! You have an open mind and a clean slate to begin! If you are wanting to take longer day trips, and you want to stick to the upright seating of a "standard" sporty bike, my advice would be to look at the Honda NC700X or the Versys. Keep in mind this advice is coming from a person who loves a ~700cc size bike for an all arounder.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:19 PM
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I "test rode" a Honda NC700x (ABS, 6 speed) early this summer, and wrote it up here;
http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ad.php?t=20316
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:36 PM
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Additional thoughts on legroom... I don't know the leg length of the demo rider on the Honda, but this is me on my Versys. I have 30" inseam. That being said, I know I would not like my feet that far back on the Honda.. Just an observation..

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Old 11-18-2012, 04:46 PM
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I love the Versys. The lowering kit should work for the inseam issue.

I just want Abs. It's BS that Kawasaki doesn't offer it in the states.

As for addressing the comfort issues on my current bike, I night it to ride for a season then upgrade. It's going to be hard to shake that frame of mind.

The EX500 has available a 1" bar raising kit. I don't think that will be enough to achieve the position I want. It would be to in depth of a project on the particular bike to change the bars.

Ninja 650 ABS then change bars to achieve more upright seating?

The Wee Strom seems like a big bike to me, but does come in ABS. I would have to get some kind engine cowl cover to make the bike look okay. I'd imagine the size of this bike would make for a comfortable street ride.


I'm open to suggestions.

Wants:
ABS
Upright seating position
Fuel Injection
Storage options
Highway capable


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Old 11-18-2012, 06:02 PM
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I'm open to suggestions.

Wants:
ABS
Upright seating position
Fuel Injection
Storage options
Highway capable


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I test rode the Honda NC700X for over an hour. It meets all of your wants. I almost sold my Versys to get one. You are looking at ~$8999 for the ABS DCT Version. I had a deal set up for $8700 OTD.

http://powersports.honda.com/2012/nc700x.aspx

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Old 11-18-2012, 08:05 PM
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The NC700 doesn't really do much for me. Add to that I have to get DCT to get ABS...

I know nothing about the Triumph Tiger 800. But see it comes in ABS. What are your thought?
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:06 AM
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Get the ninja, get a rear rack and top box and Bob's your uncle. Armed with a credit card you can go as far as you want with that setup. Add a pair of soft bags and you could even camp.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:32 AM
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The NC700 doesn't really do much for me. Add to that I have to get DCT to get ABS...

I know nothing about the Triumph Tiger 800. But see it comes in ABS. What are your thought?
All of the Triumphs are too big for me.. with your search!

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Old 11-19-2012, 10:18 AM
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I'm open to suggestions.

Wants:
ABS
Upright seating position
Fuel Injection
Storage options
Highway capable
I WAS gonna suggest the Triumph, but someone beat me to it....
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[QUOTE=Capn Kirk;221659]Additional thoughts on legroom... I don't know the leg length of the demo rider on the Honda, but this is me on my Versys. I have 30" inseam. That being said, I know I would not like my feet that far back on the Honda.. Just an observation..

Capn,
Check out the Honda rider's foot placement in that photo though. His toes are on the peg, nowhere near the shifter. If his foot was even four inches more forward, that knee angle would be reduced by a good twenty degrees.
Just an observation...
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:22 PM
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Capn,
Check out the Honda rider's foot placement in that photo though. His toes are on the peg, nowhere near the shifter. If his foot was even four inches more forward, that knee angle would be reduced by a good twenty degrees.
Just an observation...
Quite possible... But she does look a little cramped!
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:30 PM
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I'm gonna wait until the 500s are in stores. I need to sit on them a bit to get a feel. I also really like the CB500F styling as well. Maybe Kawasaki will decide to offer an ABS version of the Versys next year. Either that or I get used to the idea of not having it. I mean my current bike doesn't have it.

I'm not getting too serious about the next purchase just yet. I don't want to spontaneously pull the trigger and be wishing I'd picked a different bike. The only friends I have that ride are HD guys. I've never ridden with them though. I do have two uncles with Goldwings, but I've never actually seen them ride the bikes. I think they just bought them to keep in the garage!

I'm starting to think that there isn't one bike that would suit all of my needs. I'm sure no one else has ever had this issue, right?

I still want a standard seating, ABS, fuel injected bike that is responsive and easy to ride.

But I'm also falling in love with some of the customized Nightsters and Dynas I see on the net. Don't hate me for drooling over a HD!
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:30 AM
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To me, the CB500x is a really good idea, but I'm uncertain (obviously) as to how well they'll achieve their goals. It seems that it really should be lighter than it is (430) since it's "just" a 500. Once reviews of that engine start to get published, we'll see if that matters. ABS doesn't matter to me right now, so that's not a big draw.

It'll take a while for aftermarket parts like panniers, crash bars, etc to reach the market. And it'll take probably one or two year-model changes to tweak out any little issues. But I really like that Honda went this direction instead of another "GS Killer" attempt.

To xGunslingerx:
If I were in your shoes, not commuting, not on dirt, and like the twisties, I'd really look towards more of a sport-touring bike in the 600 to 800 class. Ninja 650, F800ST, FZ6, NT700, GSX650F, and on one. Or the Versys, of course (yeah, I'm ignoring ABS again).

But that's just me...
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:11 PM
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My wife currently has expressed no interested in riding with me as a pillion. Just curious. What is the 2 up ability of the Versys or Ninja 650?
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