Convert from non ABS to ABS? - Kawasaki Versys Forum
Register Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Motorcycle EscrowInsurance
Go Back   Kawasaki Versys Forum > Kawasaki Versys Motorcycle Talk > Modifications - Performance

 

Modifications - Performance Discuss aftermarket and DIY performance modifications
Sponsored by: LeoVince USA

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-02-2012, 10:30 PM
timrk2001 timrk2001 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 8
Default Convert from non ABS to ABS?

As we all know, the USA Versys are not equipped with ABS. I wonder if anyone has looked into a conversion , perhaps by getting parts from a European supplier?
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 11-02-2012, 10:53 PM
invader's Avatar
invader invader is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kapuskasing Ontario Canada
Posts: 5,572
Default

http://www.tcbbrakesystems.com/index.html
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-03-2012, 10:02 AM
Fastoman's Avatar
Fastoman Fastoman is offline
Member
 
2009 Kawasaki Versysy
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Ipoh.Perak.Malaysia
Posts: 4,564
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by invader View Post
Got it fitted for the front and back and it has saved me on several occasions from lock up.

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-03-2012, 03:06 PM
goat12's Avatar
goat12 goat12 is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 930
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by invader View Post
Awesome. I've been looking for something like this since I got my beloved V. So do you have one on the back at the caliper and the one up front on the master cylinder; or does it require 2 up front at the calipers?

edit: I see at the site you have to email them to purchase anyway- Have you guys done any informal side by side testing on your Vs?

Last edited by goat12; 11-03-2012 at 03:08 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-04-2012, 09:13 PM
chitown chitown is offline
Member
 
2009 Kawasaki Versys
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 20
Default

I am also curious about this system.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-05-2012, 09:36 AM
ScottyNeal ScottyNeal is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: NJ and WV
Posts: 584
Default

Fastoman,
Does it stop faster than stock?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-05-2012, 10:33 AM
Jehos's Avatar
Jehos Jehos is offline
Member
 
2009 Kawasaki Versys
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 147
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottyNeal View Post
Fastoman,
Does it stop faster than stock?
ABS by definition can't stop faster than stock. Its job is to release the brakes during a skid. You can always stop faster than ABS by max braking without skidding.
__________________
I'd rather be riding.
2005 Triumph Speed Triple | 2009 Blue Versys
1997 Suzuki DR350SE (sold) | 2004 Triumph Speed Four (sold) | 2008 ZX6R (sold) | 2008 Concours 14 (sold) | 2007 Suzuki M50 (sold) | 2006 Ninja 500 (sold)

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-05-2012, 11:33 AM
peta8368 peta8368 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Norwalk, CA
Posts: 42
Default

in other words, ABS helps the rider approach maximum braking efficiency/power (whatever the correct term would be). For many riders, it's better than what they can do, especially when panic braking.

So whether it stops better than stock is not a valid question. Whether it stops better than you as a rider... that's YMMV. I know it would certainly stop better than what I can do.
Peter
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-05-2012, 11:34 AM
Versystole's Avatar
Versystole Versystole is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Aspen, CO
Posts: 365
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jehos View Post
ABS by definition can't stop faster than stock. Its job is to release the brakes during a skid. You can always stop faster than ABS by max braking without skidding.
In theory. In practice, on pavement, most riders can stop faster with ABS...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-05-2012, 11:52 AM
jmlmjmjm jmlmjmjm is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 461
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by invader View Post
Careful.....Opinions are all over the place regarding the effectiveness of this product.


Adding air to your brake line will give you a spongy brake lever, yes. ABS capability, ahhhhh-no.

And think about it, if it was this easy wouldn't the manufacturers be doing it already?
__________________
John in AZ
'08 Versys
'11 Victory Cross Roads
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-05-2012, 01:45 PM
Seeya Seeya is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: the left coast
Posts: 335
Default

+1

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmlmjmjm View Post
Careful.....Opinions are all over the place regarding the effectiveness of this product.
Adding air to your brake line will give you a spongy brake lever, yes. ABS capability, ahhhhh-no.
And think about it, if it was this easy wouldn't the manufacturers be doing it already?
Maybe they need to be used with stainless steel brake lines.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-05-2012, 04:23 PM
Testcase Testcase is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 21
Default

Locked up my V's rear today in a panic stop on the freeway. Everything turned out OK but now this TCB sounds interesting.
__________________
Testcase
aka
Chuck of the Wheelnerds
http:://www.wheelnerds.com : A couple of nerds and their motorcycles podcast
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-05-2012, 10:08 PM
ScottyNeal ScottyNeal is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: NJ and WV
Posts: 584
Default

I wish someone would install this and give it a good test. The data from their web site suggested it was more effective at lower speeds (35mph vs 45mph). No data on faster speeds.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-05-2012, 10:42 PM
Boricua's Avatar
Boricua Boricua is online now
Member
 
2008 Kawasaki Versys
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Parker, CO
Posts: 1,237
Default

ABS does not make a bike stop faster. Its purpose is to allow th rider to maintain control by not allowing a lockup. An expert rider can stop very fast while maintaining control. However, very few riders if any can beat the speed of the sensors. Most riders will not apply full break because they are afraid of locking up the tires or will release to much of the break after the lockup happens. Both dangeruos situations. Just like cars ABS should be required in all street legal bikes. Volume will push cost down. The only caveat is a turn off bottom for dirt capable bikes. Dealers are the only barrier to introducing more ABS models. They are the ones that tell manufacturers what to bring over to the US. They do not want the extra safety cost so they can add profitable junk fees and accesories.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-06-2012, 02:24 PM
jmlmjmjm jmlmjmjm is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 461
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottyNeal View Post
I wish someone would install this and give it a good test. The data from their web site suggested it was more effective at lower speeds (35mph vs 45mph). No data on faster speeds.
Motorcycle Consumer News tested something similar a long time ago....Read a letter to them from 2008 regarding this product:

http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/letters/200802letters.pdf
__________________
John in AZ
'08 Versys
'11 Victory Cross Roads
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-06-2012, 03:30 PM
Testcase Testcase is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 21
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmlmjmjm View Post
Motorcycle Consumer News tested something similar a long time ago....Read a letter to them from 2008 regarding this product:

http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/letters/200802letters.pdf
That letter jives with my gut impression about the product upon reading their site more. You get some 'wiggle room' in the brake with mush. But I dunno if I really want to go about introducing air into it. Even a controlled bubble like that.
__________________
Testcase
aka
Chuck of the Wheelnerds
http:://www.wheelnerds.com : A couple of nerds and their motorcycles podcast
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-07-2012, 05:17 PM
blahwas blahwas is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Bochum, Germany
Posts: 374
Default

ABS was a big reason I got a new bike. I wish I could upgrade my old Honda NTV with ABS. I would not buy a bike without ABS, and since I've done a day of intensive riding on a Versys 1000, I probably will not buy a bike without traction control.

By the way, ABS will be mandatory for new bikes (>50 cc) in Europe from 2016 on.

tcbbrakesystems smells like snake oil...
__________________
2008 Kawasaki Versys
1994 Honda NTV 650
1999 Suzuki AN125

Last edited by blahwas; 11-08-2012 at 01:40 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-07-2012, 07:45 PM
DK35vince DK35vince is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: western,pa.
Posts: 109
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boricua View Post
Just like cars ABS should be required in all street legal bikes.
I don't like ABS on our cars and I shouldn't be forced to pay for it on my bikes if I don't want it.
__________________
2009 Kawasaki Versys
2007 Honda XR 650L
2005 Kawasaki Brute Force 750
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11-07-2012, 07:57 PM
Tigerpawed's Avatar
Tigerpawed Tigerpawed is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Santa Barbara coast
Posts: 1,024
Default

Looking at the Kawi Versys official Service Manual, the ABS option adds much complexity, maintenance and troubleshooting to the V. Maybe if the Non-ABS option wasn't documented, the comparison wouldn't be so harsh, but man...if you put all that ABS stuff on there, it gets much more complicated. Maybe it isn't so bad on a machine that's designed only for ABS from the get-go.
__________________
Someday is not a day of the week.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11-07-2012, 10:45 PM
MaverickAus MaverickAus is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Coffs Harbour, NSW, Australia
Posts: 635
Default

I had no choice in Australia all V's have come with ABS since 2010, I for one am happy to have it.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Advertisements
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:53 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Motorcycle News, Videos and Reviews
Honda Grom Forum Harley Davidson Forum Honda 600RR Kawasaki Forum Yamaha R6 Forum Yamaha FZ-09 Forum
1199 Panigale Forum Roadglide Forum Honda CBR1000 Forum Vulcan Forum Yamaha R1 Forum Yamaha R3 Forum
Ducati Monster Forum Harley Forums Honda CBR250R Forum ZX10R Forum Star Raider Forum Yamaha Viking Forum
Suzuki GSXR Forum V-Rod Forums Honda Shadow Forum Kawasaki Motorcycle Forum Star Warrior Forum KTM Duke 390 Forum
SV650 Forum BMW S1000RR Forum Honda Fury Forum Kawasaki Versys Forum Drag Racing Forum Ducati 899 Panigale Forum
Suzuki V-Strom BMW K1600 Triumph Forum Victory Forums Sportbikes BMW NineT Forum
Volusia Forum BMW F800 Forum Triumph 675 Forum MV Agusta Forum HD Street Forum Suzuki GW250 Forum
Yamaha Motorcycles Victory Gunner Forum Honda Vultus Forum