Anyone know about the Arrow Pipe and Exhaust kit or even have one on their V? I was thinking about ordering one soon.

If not, I guess you all will know by mid-month...:)

Do they have a web site? I would like to learn more.
COBOB

http://www.arrow.it/usa/home/

Thank you.

Got them on order and should arrive whithin the week. I'll try to get some pics up as soon as they're installed. :D

Oh...and I have a power commander on the V so it'll be tuned when installed too. Let you all know what's the outcome soon.

Cool! Post up, I'm deciding which set to get my self.

Hey Hooligan,

You know if the K&N filter will be a good investment on the performance upgrade too?

The Arrow is a nice quality exhaust system, and it sounds pretty smooth even without the included baffle: http://www.ipulse.co.uk/images/Arrow.wmv

How much are you paying for yours? It's available here for $565.95, and $235.95 for just the slip-on: http://www.indysuperbike.com/customer/home.php?cat=30571 (IN USA)

K&N doesn't make an air filter yet for the V, but BMC (Italy) has a similar one... I got a foam Piper X filter make in UK. It is a bit of an improvement over stock, and fuel mileage did get better with all my mods combined. (Muzzy full exhaust system, Piper X filter, vacuum hose mod, 5 degree timing advance...)

Hey Hooligan,

You know if the K&N filter will be a good investment on the performance upgrade too?

If you change both you may need to invest in a power Commander to get the proper mixture. If you do get a filter, take a look at BMC as well as K&N.

The Arrow is a nice quality exhaust system, and it sounds pretty smooth even without the included baffle: http://www.ipulse.co.uk/images/Arrow.wmv

How much are you paying for yours? It's available here for $565.95, and $235.95 for just the slip-on: http://www.indysuperbike.com/customer/home.php?cat=30571 (IN USA)

K&N doesn't make an air filter yet for the V, but BMC (Italy) has a similar one... I got a foam Piper X filter make in UK. It is a bit of an improvement over stock, and fuel mileage did get better with all my mods combined. (Muzzy full exhaust system, Piper X filter, vacuum hose mod, 5 degree timing advance...)

Is the Ninja 650 kit the same as the Versys kit? Nice find btw, that's much more in line with what I would expect a can to cost...

Luke

I have posted about this system on other threads but will chip in briefly.
I do have the Arrow full system and BMC filter combo on my V and it did NOT require a PCIII. The change of performance on the bike was outstanding and the fuel mileage as well. Well worth the $ for it and in my personal opinion, cheap for what you get. :thumb:

Cheers

Frank

Is the Ninja 650 kit the same as the Versys kit? Nice find btw, that's much more in line with what I would expect a can to cost...

Luke

Yes like i mentioned in the 'Exhaust systems' thread, it's the same application for mentioned Ninja 650R, displayed ER-6 and listed Versys (http://www.arrow.it/eng/ricercaprodotti/list.asp?id=11&idSub=9).

The change of performance on the bike was outstanding and the fuel mileage as well.

How much better?

I have posted about this system on other threads but will chip in briefly.
I do have the Arrow full system and BMC filter combo on my V and it did NOT require a PCIII. The change of performance on the bike was outstanding and the fuel mileage as well. Well worth the $ for it and in my personal opinion, cheap for what you get. :thumb:

Cheers

Frank

So what's it sound like? The price is right, but I don't want full on super loud. The arrow pipe that came with my Husky was VERY quiet when it was new. It's blown out now but wouldn't take but 15 minutes to re-pack it. IMHO the workmanship of the Arrow cans (Husqvarna OEM) I've got are really nice.

Luke

Just a few thoughts, out loud/online, due to the location of the can on the V, I think Carbon would be a bad idea, due to stones etc. Even during light off-roading, it would be subject to being smashed or cracked. Anybody else have an opinion on CF for the V can? Just last week I did a small creek crossing and sure enough I wound up riding over a rock. I didn't bottom out, but if the rock was bigger, maybe it could have hit the can. I know from prior experience (but not with exhausts), CF doesn't hold up to off road abuse.

Luke

Hey guys,

The pipes are in but the exhaust is not so i'll be waiting till the CF can arrives in at the begining of September so I can have it all installed in one day. The CF can is good for me since i'm not going to go off road with it too much and if I do i'll get a Ti one later down the line...

Thanks for the replys guys :)

Just a few thoughts, out loud/online, due to the location of the can on the V, I think Carbon would be a bad idea, due to stones etc. Even during light off-roading, it would be subject to being smashed or cracked. Anybody else have an opinion on CF for the V can? Just last week I did a small creek crossing and sure enough I wound up riding over a rock. I didn't bottom out, but if the rock was bigger, maybe it could have hit the can. I know from prior experience (but not with exhausts), CF doesn't hold up to off road abuse.

Luke

I went with an aluminum pipe for just that reason. On the other hand, CF is very easy to repair if it cracks.

Have you checked TwinAir? Their site had a problem when I tried to check for you. Maybe it will be up when you check.

On the other hand, CF is very easy to repair if it cracks.
I've never heard this before... care to elaborate?

Ordered the Aluminum slip-on last night from Indy Superbikes. Hopefully they're not back ordered (like it appears the CF cans are.) For $250 shipped this appears to be the best value in the aftermarket exhaust arena for the Versys (aside from the member here who's put a nice package together.) I've always liked Arrow, thought I'd give them a try this time around. Hopefully fairly tame - muted with the db killer insert in.

I'll post pics & reviews once I get'r done. :D

Sorry Lukejt for the late reply, the gains in performance I will describe in layman's terms; she books now. The motor will rev effortlessly now to red line and the torque gains as well through the power range. I now keep up and more with liter class dual sports. All this with the Arrow full system (I have the aluminum can) and the BMC air filter. IMHO, can't do better for the money invested here.

Want better handling? I switched out the stock tires to Michelin Pilot Road 2CT and WOW :yeahsmile:, more grip, more security, more comfort, etc...

Cheers

Frank

Thanks for the update. I installed a TBR cf can on my bike and it woke things up quite a bit from 2-8k or so. Still flat on top. Do you think it was the installation of the headers that increased performance at high rpm?

Now that I've installed a can, I agree with you, it is a noticeable and worth while improvement in performance.

Luke

It most definitely was the addition of the headpipe, I did the install separate to see the change and it was most noticible with the headpipe. You can order the headpipe separate and install since you already got a muffler.

Good luck

It most definitely was the addition of the headpipe, I did the install separate to see the change and it was most noticible with the headpipe. You can order the headpipe separate and install since you already got a muffler.

Good luck

You mentioned another website to order the header separate, but appears to be down (Kawasaki Versys Store or something like that.) Are they still in business?

Thanks!
Jim

Edit: it's this site.. http://www.versysshop.com/ States "site not available." Been like that for two days now. :(

Jim

You're right, that is the place but maybe they are having problems or servicing their site. Check out the places to get stuff on this forum to get their number. I ordered my headpipe from them seperatly and they were prompt with the shipping.

Thanks Frank. No hurry, as I've yet to even get the slip-on! Lol!! :D

Take care,
Jim

...The motor will rev effortlessly now to red line...

I assume you are talking about in 6th?

Hey guys, here's the "new" or correct link, hope it works;

http://www.motospecialties.com/store.asp?store=versysshop&level=type&type=Exhaust

Luke

Hey guys, here's the "new" or correct link, hope it works;

http://www.motospecialties.com/store.asp?store=versysshop&level=type&type=Exhaust

Luke

Thanks Luke, that's the ticket. Took delivery of my Arrow aluminum can last night. Mounted, and test rode around the neighborhood (we were still in the middle of an extended "Ike" derived power outage.) I'm happy with it. Not too loud at all with the DB killer installed. Bike seems to rev a bit more freely for sure. Today I'm riding to work to give it a real test. :D

Anybody with pics of the header & can installed on their ride would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Jim

Thanks Luke, that's the ticket. Took delivery of my Arrow aluminum can last night. Mounted, and test rode around the neighborhood (we were still in the middle of an extended "Ike" derived power outage.) I'm happy with it. Not too loud at all with the DB killer installed. Bike seems to rev a bit more freely for sure. Today I'm riding to work to give it a real test. :D

Anybody with pics of the header & can installed on their ride would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Jim

can't wait to see your report!!!

Well, a short & sweet report after the ride into work this morning. I LOVE THIS PIPE! :D

It's just about as quiet as stock, has less than half the weight, and looks fantastic. Add all that to the fact the bike can actually "breath" and rev more freely and my conclusion is it's a real winner. The fact that it cost approx ~ $250.00 shipped to my door in a weeks time didn't hurt either.

I left the DB killer insert in, and it really keeps this pipe "tame" as could be under all but the wildest throttle action. Even at highway speed (65-90MPH) you don't really hear it. I was afraid of higher RPM drone, but there's none. A real plus for this staying on the bike for more than a day or two (of which so many other aftermarket exhaust products have fell victim to.) I can safely say at this point, money well spent.

I may have to eventually invest in the Arrow free flowing header & BMC OEM style drop-in air filter as well. I'd assume from what I've read / heard this would do nothing but make this package that much sweeter. :D

Jim

Edit: Forgot to add that the engine braking effect on decel has been greatly reduced. That, and I seem to detect less mirror vibration at freeway speed too. Both a real plus as well!

WOW! You have got me totally enticed... the both of you (FJS and MackDaddy). I am happy to hear that the exhaust is reasonably quiet... very happy! I really don't want loud, but I like the idea of new headers and can! If either of you get a sound byte... I think you'd make a lot of people happy to hear it!


Well, a short & sweet report after the ride into work this morning. I LOVE THIS PIPE! :D

It's just about as quiet as stock, has less than half the weight, and looks fantastic. Add all that to the fact the bike can actually "breath" and rev more freely and my conclusion is it's a real winner. The fact that it cost approx ~ $250.00 shipped to my door in a weeks time didn't hurt either.

I left the DB killer insert in, and it really keeps this pipe "tame" as could be under all but the wildest throttle action. Even at highway speed (65-90MPH) you don't really hear it. I was afraid of higher RPM drone, but there's none. A real plus for this staying on the bike for more than a day or two (of which so many other aftermarket exhaust products have fell victim to.) I can safely say at this point, money well spent.

I may have to eventually invest in the Arrow free flowing header & BMC OEM style drop-in air filter as well. I'd assume from what I've read / heard this would do nothing but make this package that much sweeter. :D

Jim

Edit: Forgot to add that the engine braking effect on decel has been greatly reduced. That, and I seem to detect less mirror vibration at freeway speed too. Both a real plus as well!

I wrote these guys, and they have dropped the price. $465. for the full system with aluminum can. $160 more for titanium.


The Arrow is a nice quality exhaust system, and it sounds pretty smooth even without the included baffle: http://www.ipulse.co.uk/images/Arrow.wmv

How much are you paying for yours? It's available here for $565.95, and $235.95 for just the slip-on: http://www.indysuperbike.com/customer/home.php?cat=30571 (IN USA)

K&N doesn't make an air filter yet for the V, but BMC (Italy) has a similar one... I got a foam Piper X filter make in UK. It is a bit of an improvement over stock, and fuel mileage did get better with all my mods combined. (Muzzy full exhaust system, Piper X filter, vacuum hose mod, 5 degree timing advance...)

I wrote these guys, and they have dropped the price. $465. for the full system with aluminum can. $160 more for titanium.

That my friend, would be all I needed to make the choice between this and the Leo Vince system. $465 is a STEAL!

Pic whoring.... :D

http://images42.fotki.com/v1317/photos/1/17642/6640253/IMG_1268-vi.jpg

It looks sooo good!

That's a GREAT price. I dropped almost $400 for the TBR can alone. I bet a bunch of you guys will jump on that deal. If I pay a few more bills I'm going to order the headers. Maybe next spring.

That's a GREAT price. I dropped almost $400 for the TBR can alone. I bet a bunch of you guys will jump on that deal. If I pay a few more bills I'm going to order the headers. Maybe next spring.

sadly... the delivery charge to Hong Kong is more than the Arrow can alone :thumbdown:

That my friend, would be all I needed to make the choice between this and the Leo Vince system. $465 is a STEAL!

I know, i know... but I am still worried it is going to be annoyingly loud. The vids on the interweb all show the arrow as LOUD... baffle and all.


EDIT. Phoned my dealer, and he says that they can quieten down the arrow if it is too loud, so issue resolved!

I know, i know... but I am still worried it is going to be annoyingly loud. The vids on the interweb all show the arrow as LOUD... baffle and all.

EDIT. Phoned my dealer, and he says that they can quieten down the arrow if it is too loud, so issue resolved!

Like I stated in my PM's, don't take what you hear on the internet thru computer speakers as verbatim. Most of what I've heard (Arrow) really don't come close to what I actually hear on MY bike. It's not loud with the baffle in at all. But trust you me, when you pull that little devil out for the few "feel'n spunky" times, it REALLY comes to life. I would find it obnoxious if that was all they had to offer. But it's nice to be able to let'r rip every now & then. :D

I wrote these guys, and they have dropped the price. $465. for the full system with aluminum can. $160 more for titanium.
Geez, Redherring ...what did you say when you wrote to them? After following this thread and links to the website, I found the price for the full Arrow system is still $594.98, plus shipping! I need to know your secret...please!

Geez, Redherring ...what did you say when you wrote to them? After following this thread and links to the website, I found the price for the full Arrow system is still $594.98, plus shipping! I need to know your secret...please!


Check the web site again. They dropped the price after I spoke with them. They also had the Titanium upgrade for only $8. which they corrected as well... darn. Still would rather have had the LV, but they say the LV slipon won't fit on the arrow header (not sure if thats true). None the less, $465 is a bargain.

Thanks RH, pipes are ordered!

Is there any way to tell (layman... without a sniffer) if the bike is running too lean? I have not installed my pipe and header yet, and just wonder how much this will lean out the bike. I will do a power PCIII in the spring, but in the mean time, what should one look for to tell if the bike is running to lean?

Also, I was wondering if doing the TPS adjustment might'nt be just enough to richen the bottom end for a pipe filter combo.

I'm a bit lean, and know it by the color change on the headers right by the cylinder head. But, I've been running like this for a few weeks now with no ill effect. I do however have a PCIII on the way (today) to alleviate this.

I've also got the PAIR system disconnected, and the sub-throttle plates removed, so adding the PCIII is a must for me. I'm not sure just how lean it is right now as I've got no way to validate without a wideband meter (of which I intend on doing as well when the "warchest-$$$$" is replenished.) :D

To some degree you can tell by the plugs and the color of the exhaust, but fine tuning is tough. On a track with timing equipment you can do it by distance over time in say WOT in 3rd gear... if you have the time...

This being an FI bike it may do some of it itself depending how smart it is. Does it have an O2 sensor in the exhaust or not?

This being an FI bike it may do some of it itself depending how smart it is. Does it have an O2 sensor in the exhaust or not?


No O2 sensor.

Oh well... PCIII it is then for you!

Oh well... PCIII it is then for you!

You beat me to the punch line. :D


Fuel piggyback is the only way to rectify this. The OEM ECU does not support flash ROM updating. I've already checked into this....

Oh well, PCIII came today. Installing now.... :yeahsmile:

Hey Mackdaddy, let us know how the V runs after the PCIII is installed. Should make a big difference in how she feels. Are you planning a custom map, or running a preinstalled or downloaded map? Thanks.

Install is done. Slight PITA, but doable when you take your time and asses the wiring harness position as you go along. I spliced & soldered the TPS connection, I don't like T-taps. Oh well, it's a done deal.

I'm running the only comparable map Dyno Jet had. It's for an Akropovic slip-on. BOY DOES IT MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE! Nice & smooth up the rev range. No more higher RPM vibration AT ALL. This thing pulls like a frigg'n freight train! I can't wait to get a custom map done, but this will certainly do for now. I highly recommend a Power Commander III, period!

More details after a good ride today. Sun is shinning & 65 deg!

Jim

Edit: I updated the "fuel" firmware last night before installing it as well. Latest rev level is 2.3.2 (mine was a few rev levels behind, and had a "born on" date of last month!) I highly recommend checking yours when you get it, and update accordingly. All updates readily available on Dyno Jet's website. I haven't even begun to play with this much, including the accelerator pump feature! :D

Oh well... PCIII it is then for you!


Ya... looks like it. My exhaust is quite sooty as is, so I think I will throw the pipes on in the interim anyways, and check the plugs after 500km to see how they look. PCIII will come a little later. Wife would have my nuts if I spend another cent on the bike! And I might need an new jacket...:mad:

MD... sounds like that PCIII is just the ticket! Looking forward to reading your ride report today!

Well, what can I say. The bike now pulls STRONG all the way thru 8K RPM (I really don't go any higher that that, and today was the first time It's been there for quite some time.)

I've got a few concerns I'm going to start a new thread on (nothing major, just some quirks I need to know if others are having.)

Overall, I'm very pleased. I'm going to try a basemap on my next good ride, just to see what it feels like as well (setup for a stock bike, but still has loads of mapping cell changes.)

So where did you buy your PCIII from?

I was wondering if they were generic, or model specific?

Indy Superbikes http://www.indysuperbike.com/customer/home.php

PCIII's are version specific.

Indy Superbikes http://www.indysuperbike.com/customer/home.php

PCIII's are version specific.



These guys are amazing! I dropped them a note last night (Saturday) to inquire about a PCIII for the Versys as there was nothing on their site. By this morning (SUNDAY!) I recieved a reply, and they said they had updated the site to reflect my question about the Versys!

$258 seems like the best price around as well!

Super! When I ordered from them, I just chose the unit for the Ninja 650. Knowing it had the same injector interfaces, but would come with a different basemap (of which is easy as pie to update - change.) They went out of their way to make sure I got a Versys specific basemap, as that's what I put in the notes field with my order! Good deal. Price is really good too. :D

I road the bike quite a bit today with the stock Versys basemap. Bike still runs nice. I can't even imagine a custom dyno tuned map (although I will get one eventually.)

MackDaddy check your PM.

Bob

MackDaddy check your PM.

Bob

Back at you Robert. Thanks! :D

Couldn't help myself.... Arrow header will be on my front porch tonight. :D

I'll post some impressions of the full system with a "close to my setup" custom map when I get everything buttoned up & tweaked here in a week or so.

Life is good!
Jim

Header is on, read my initial thoughts here: http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16423#post16423

I love it! More later...

Jim

After some good riding today, the consensus is this system is a keeper. It does shift the powerband up in RPM slightly, but certainly not to where I feel it was a wasted time project. Still has good pull at 2800 RPM in 3rd gear (my test against the way it was on day one bone-stock.) Bike now flies thru 5k RPM like butter, it did not do that before. I would try and keep the bike around 4500 RPM when cruising because of the "annoys me a little" vibration I would get. Now it's "game on!"

Still running the DynoJet PCIII basemap but it seems to run really well with this. I'll experiment with various maps over the next few weeks (I now have several to choose from.) :D

Jim

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http://images41.fotki.com/v1345/photos/1/17642/6759944/IMG_1436-vi.jpg

http://images43.fotki.com/v1321/photos/1/17642/6759944/IMG_1435-vi.jpg

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Dang !!! that looks Sweet! i just might have to match a header up to my two Bro .

Bolts right up to it. Here's how it looks.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x281/bicyclebob/dsc_0024.jpg

Cheers,
Bob

looks great ...... is there any tweaking that need to be done for the two Bro ? i love that naked look with the lower cowling gone :thumb:

Thanks. No tweaking required. Since this photo I have moved the horn so it is hidden behind the left side cowling and re routed the radiator overflow line so that it is hidden.

looks great ...... is there any tweaking that need to be done for the two Bro ? i love that naked look with the lower cowling gone :thumb:

Dito... I like the pipes exposed. I looks sweet! :thumb:

Me too! I removed my lower side covers after seeing Bob's...


Thanks Bob!

Can anyone tell me what the inside diameter, tube length, and distance between the baffle plate and tube of Arrow's quiet insert outlet is?

WOW...wow...wow!

Nice change. Not as loud as anticipated, thankfully. Pretty much stock quiet untill you get on it, but even then it's not too loud... just enough to put a silly grin on ur face!

I have not driven it enough to comment fully, but so far, it seems like the bike responds quicker to smaller throttle inputs down low. The bike is definately quicker, and pulls very smoothly. There seems to be a noticable power surge at 5000 rpm, where the difference is felt most. This thing just hauls in the upper 1/2 of the RPM.

I got wheel spin on a damp road in second rolling on the power. That would not have happened with the stock exhaust.

So far. I like. I am running the stock FI map... I don't have a box yet. So far, I don't notice any signs of lean running... but I don't have many miles on it yet. Still smells new. No popping on decel.

Two thumbs up so far.

Here's a dyno run with all the goodies hooked up. Gotta like that torque curve.

http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1759

Definitely need ear plugs with the baffle out.It goes like stink... but man is it loud! I wonder if you drilled some holes and shortened the baffle if it would be a decent compromise between louder and performance?

Hey Red Herring ......where did ya source your arrow header from ???? state side or in Canada?

$465.95 from: http://indysuperbike.com/customer/product.php?productid=119656&cat=0&page=8
Red Herring- Do you still have the removable baffle out? Could you or someone else measure its inside diameter, length, and distance between baffle plate and tube for me?
Some have cut off the baffle plate from the tube for a good compromise, notably on french forum member's very similar Akrapovic's silencer baffle... By the way, what's the inside diameter of the outlet without the baffle? How far does it extend inside the silencer?

$465.95 from: http://indysuperbike.com/customer/product.php?productid=119656&cat=0&page=8
Red Herring- Do you still have the removable baffle out? Could you or someone else measure its inside diameter, length, and distance between baffle plate and tube for me?
Some have cut off the baffle plate from the tube for a good compromise, notably on french forum member's very similar Akrapovic's silencer baffle... By the way, what's the inside diameter of the outlet without the baffle? How far does it extend inside the silencer?

I'll get those for you after work. It's a long baffle, maybe 8 inches, and ~ 1inch diameter, and completely unperforated. likely ~ 40% of the unbaffled. It's way too obnoxious to run without the baffle.

Hey Red Herring ......where did ya source your arrow header from ???? state side or in Canada?

As invade posted. Got a Canadian quote from their rep in Ontario for $899:thumbdown:

I'll get those for you after work...


Sorry Invader... been sick and haven't really got off the couch for the past 2 days. Will get yui the measurements tomorrow!:)

... By the way, what's the inside diameter of the outlet without the baffle? How far does it extend inside the silencer?


ID of the can outlet without the baffle is 1 3/4 inch.

The ID of the DB killer is 7/8 inch, and it extends 8 1/2 inches into the can.

Thanks Red Herring... Are you still considering derestricting the baffle a bit by cutting off the plate at the inlet? How far is the baffle plate from the pipe? 7/8" ID is a bit tight. 1" to 1.25" ID pipe could work. Do you feel much power loss with the baffle in?

I am thinking about it. I would like to try a 1.25 inch ID baffle, with a short neck. I think I might order another (play) baffle and start cutting it down. Maybe try drilling holes in the flange at the outlet.

Here's what it looks like from arrow. DB Killer (http://www.arrow.it/oggetti/2729_27%20KAWASAKI%20ER-6N%20+%20Versys%20650.pdf) The end is cupped, not solid. The picture is a little deceiving.

I think there is a loss of power with it in, but frankly, it is so loud with it out, I was somewhat distracted. I think one would really benefit from the PCIII with it out.

I thought I had seen a good pic of the DB killer somewhere. I guess it doesn't have an inlet baffle plate... My Muzzy header + silencer was a bit loud with it's short 1-3/8" ID outlet expanding to 1-7/8" ID at the tip. It's much better with a domed end cap welded 1" away from inner outlet with 3 1/4" wide tabs.
I'm looking into adapting a 2" ID in/out (to fit Muzzy header collector) 4" round, 14" long Magnaflow silencer with either 2" ID or 2.5" ID core, with a Yoshimura stainless steel USFS approved 92-96 db low volume insert. They also have less restrictive inserts: http://store.58cycle.com/SearchResults.asp

This thread rocks. I'm ready to splurge on an arrow system, but worry about how it's going to hold up in the long run?

This thread rocks. I'm ready to splurge on an arrow system, but worry about how it's going to hold up in the long run?

The quality is really good.

Sorry for the dumb questions and resurrecting this thread. A little new to replacing exhausts.

I know a slip-on makes a big difference, but how does the Arrow full pipes differ in design over stock? Does the shape matter that much or is there more to these pipes than that?

Any idea of the rough increase in performance as you go up in price? For example, X% power gain with just slip-on, Y% with full system, and Z% with full system and custom dyno PCIII mapping. Trying to figure out if Y and Z are worth it for the buy in price. By my reckoning, the Arrow full system is double the price and triple for the PCIII and a dyno run.

Does the db killer insert decrease performance significantly or just the noise level?

What canister type matches the bike best? Assuming they were all the same cost, does Titanium or CF look nicer on the bike? I have only seen pictures of Aluminum on the bike so far.

Arrow Pipe and Aluminum Two Brothers.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x281/bicyclebob/dsc_0024.jpg

Fits nice and sounds great.

Just installed the full Arrow system, BMC air filter, and Power Commander (using Akropovic map). What a difference. No decel pop and lots of mid-range grunt. I will admit that without my considerably gifted stock of blistering words and phrases, the job would have been far more difficult. Hint: Be sure to install the entire exhaust system already assembled to avoid having to remove the rear tire.

Sorry for the dumb questions and resurrecting this thread. A little new to replacing exhausts.

I know a slip-on makes a big difference, but how does the Arrow full pipes differ in design over stock? Does the shape matter that much or is there more to these pipes than that?

Any idea of the rough increase in performance as you go up in price? For example, X% power gain with just slip-on, Y% with full system, and Z% with full system and custom dyno PCIII mapping. Trying to figure out if Y and Z are worth it for the buy in price. By my reckoning, the Arrow full system is double the price and triple for the PCIII and a dyno run.

Does the db killer insert decrease performance significantly or just the noise level?

What canister type matches the bike best? Assuming they were all the same cost, does Titanium or CF look nicer on the bike? I have only seen pictures of Aluminum on the bike so far.

According to Arrow's fact sheet, stock full exhaust has a max power output of 63.08.
Arrow slip on only will give you, 63.38.
The full Arrow system will net you, 67.47 max HP.

Just installed the full Arrow system, BMC air filter, and Power Commander (using Akropovic map). What a difference. No decel pop and lots of mid-range grunt. I will admit that without my considerably gifted stock of blistering words and phrases, the job would have been far more difficult. Hint: Be sure to install the entire exhaust system already assembled to avoid having to remove the rear tire.



Nice set up! X-actly what I am running, except I have a DNA filter.

I didn't have to remove the rear tire tho? I had no troubles, aside from dropping the original can, putting in the new system.

The PCIII is a very nice compliment. I really like it! Let me know if you get a custom map, and I'll do likewise!:thumb:

Will do, Red Herring.

Just installed the full Arrow system, BMC air filter, and Power Commander (using Akropovic map). What a difference. No decel pop and lots of mid-range grunt. I will admit that without my considerably gifted stock of blistering words and phrases, the job would have been far more difficult. Hint: Be sure to install the entire exhaust system already assembled to avoid having to remove the rear tire.

Didn't read this thread thouroughly so sorry if it was already brought up...but on the subject of needing to remove the rear wheel to install aftermarket pipes, instead of doing that all I did {and I think anyone has to do} was loosen the header pipe / head nuts and allow the pipe to fall down and away from the rear tire. This gave me plenty of clearance for the muffler install, both going back to stock or vise-versa. I have an Akrapovic end can and it is larger than most, and necessitated the extra work...which involves about 2 extra minutes.

Guys,please help! still can't figure out how to mount the lower strap bracket.It appears that the silencer will hit the rear tire any way I mount the strap. Any ideas????

HOLY CRAP!!!

Sorry for the long time no see guys. They had a problem over in Italy (they say) about getting my CF exhaust so I told them to cancel my order and got a Ti exhaust and the headers along with it...I'll be posting pics as soon as I get the chance.

By the way...It Rocks!!! Espacially with the power commander remapped! =)

Check out www.Pipecity.com. Arrow FULL header and cand in aluminum for $475, free shipping. The titanium or carbon is less than $50 more too. Up here in Canada it is about twice that for a full system.

Just ordered the Arrow full system, PC III usb, and the BMG air filter from http://www.indysuperbike.com/customer/home.php. Recently I registered for a Motorcycle Service Technology class at http://www4.wccnet.edu/departments/automotive/facilities.php, a local community college which the taxpayers have supported heavily. Their Motorcycle program was recently developed (2 years ago). They sunk over 4 million into it. 30k for a dual drum dyno, 32 k for the room and the 3 42" plazma's (2 on the outside and 1 in the room). And another 200 k on the air handling system (ability to simulate temp, humidity, and air pressure.) It is a totally amazing program. Unfortunately i found it, in my last semester of a networking degree. never know, might come back and finish the Bike classes later on... Either way, i'm going up today to get a baseline dyno run b4 the new parts come in.

BTW...best part about the class is that they encourage us to come up and run a dyno run on our own bikes...for FREE! Gotta love that!:thumb:

Just ordered the Arrow full system, PC III usb, and the BMG air filter from http://www.indysuperbike.com/customer/home.php. Recently I registered for a Motorcycle Service Technology class at http://www4.wccnet.edu/departments/automotive/facilities.php, a local community college which the taxpayers have supported heavily. Their Motorcycle program was recently developed (2 years ago). They sunk over 4 million into it. 30k for a dual drum dyno, 32 k for the room and the 3 42" plazma's (2 on the outside and 1 in the room). And another 200 k on the air handling system (ability to simulate temp, humidity, and air pressure.) It is a totally amazing program. Unfortunately i found it, in my last semester of a networking degree. never know, might come back and finish the Bike classes later on... Either way, i'm going up today to get a baseline dyno run b4 the new parts come in.

BTW...best part about the class is that they encourage us to come up and run a dyno run on our own bikes...for FREE! Gotta love that!:thumb:

Now thats a sweet deal ! Free is always good :)
Looking Forward to your results

Just ordered the Arrow full system, PC III usb, and the BMG air filter from http://www.indysuperbike.com/customer/home.php. Recently I registered for a Motorcycle Service Technology class at http://www4.wccnet.edu/departments/automotive/facilities.php, a local community college which the taxpayers have supported heavily. Their Motorcycle program was recently developed (2 years ago). They sunk over 4 million into it. 30k for a dual drum dyno, 32 k for the room and the 3 42" plazma's (2 on the outside and 1 in the room). And another 200 k on the air handling system (ability to simulate temp, humidity, and air pressure.) It is a totally amazing program. Unfortunately i found it, in my last semester of a networking degree. never know, might come back and finish the Bike classes later on... Either way, i'm going up today to get a baseline dyno run b4 the new parts come in.

BTW...best part about the class is that they encourage us to come up and run a dyno run on our own bikes...for FREE! Gotta love that!:thumb:

WOW! Sounds fantastic!:thumb::thumb::thumb:

way to fully farkle GP! my wife says I can only farkle when she farkles....(buying yoga stuff) only so much farkle in yoga. I asked " is there a yoga company that makes a thousand dollar mat?" the answer was no. But I am going to go to a Yoga camp in LA for a week.....Jimmy sees farkling exhaust in his near future!!

Noticed the new PC with the autotune is available for the 09 and up. Did Kawasaki make any other changes between the 08's and 09's? If not, I would assume that it would work on the 08's as well. Hmmm...expensive but sounds very interesting!

Got mine installed and went out for a 120 mile ride last night. Sounds and feels more like it maybe should have been in the first place. That being said, one of the more enjoyable rides of this season...so far it feels stronger on mid/top range. Quicker to rev. Using RedHerring's uploaded map. I'll be able to to do another Dyno run in a few weeks. We'll see what happens then. Either way, sure sounds good!:cheers:
Here's a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNCL164DIQk

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Hi guys, I;m new to this forum but I've been following up some of the good
discusion you have here.

I am interested for this set of exhaust system for the V, so I've written an email
today to Admant Industry, who imports Arrow to Australia, asking for quotes
on this pipes. And I have to say, I am quite astound by the price here!:eek:

The hearders:

ER-6N Racing Collecto $660 AUD

The cans:
Kawasaki ER6N 05-06 Alloy Slip $641 AUD
Kawasaki ER6N 05 Carbo Slip On $939 AUD
Kawasaki ER-6N 05 Titn Slip On $969 AUD

I think either I will have to manage to get it from :usa: or :forgetit: ....
Anyone else know where to get cheaper stuff for V in Australia?

Send me a PM. I may be able to help.

Hello All!!

Just curious - are you able to add the header, air filter and slip-on with no mods to the air/fuel mix? does the stock ECU comp enough!?!?!?

I've heard reports of an overly lean mixture with the stock mapping. Not sure you could avoid popping on decel.