I just ordered the power commander 3, the titainium two brothers exhaust, and a bmc air filter. I have read from alot of pieceing together forums that the pcIII may work best with the two brothers exhaust because there are already maps you can download for the versys in that combonation. I am not trying to make a race bike, or i would have bought a r-45 or whatever, i am just playing and expiermenting really, i just got home from work after being on a tug boat for a few months and ive got the trigger finger! ill let you know how this combo works out!

Keep us updated as I'm interested in this combo as well. Dynojet isn't very far away from me so I could always get it tuned as well.

That sound like the way to go.

I just ordered the power commander 3, the titainium two brothers exhaust, and a bmc air filter. I have read from alot of pieceing together forums that the pcIII may work best with the two brothers exhaust because there are already maps you can download for the versys in that combonation. I am not trying to make a race bike, or i would have bought a r-45 or whatever, i am just playing and expiermenting really, i just got home from work after being on a tug boat for a few months and ive got the trigger finger! ill let you know how this combo works out!

Why not do a thourough job of it and get the bike dynoed before and after the mods. I would be interested in what it brings to the table for sure. I bet you would like to know also.

i was thinking about that, and dyno tuning afterword is probably already in the cards, its just getting it done before the mods is a bit of extra work and money haha, how about i just give you the numbers ive read somewhere, and say i had it dynoed??? that stuff was pretty spendy, and i was going to go the cheaper route with some of the stuff, but got to thinking about it, and i know from the past, when you buy the stuff thats a hundred bucks cheaper, you save 100 bucks, until you have to buy it agsain, and so on, anyway, this stuff should be here this week

Yeah, mos def let us know what that combo gets you on the dyno if you have the opportunity, and for sure the seat of the pants feeling as well. This is the exact combo I am planning too!!!:thumb:
Cheers,
Erik!!!

OK i got the first part in tonight, the power commander, and like i heard, its no "simple installation project" i mean its easy, if you can load a dishwasher you can go it, but its kinda a pain in the a** to get to, right down there by the air filter lol, i didnt put the filter in yet casue i dont have it yet, but had to put the bike back together cause i had to try it! throttle response .... A+... the power increase was everything i have heard.... not quite like putting a 351 in your pinto, but pretty good, the bike pulls alot harder with alot less throttle, and just feels..... healthy i guess. also, the power curve seems to build at an even lower rpm, where as before it would just shake. ill keep you updated! also it comes with a few cool stickers

one more thing, the relationship between a man and his power commander is really somthin else. even though its clear what a good air/fuel ratio is, i really have no clue how to run the program on my computer, but its really cool. luckly, there are licensed power commander tuners at bike shops ever near you, and you can download "maps" for your setup at several websites! bottom line is i love this motorcycle

Good report, now power commander will be going like hot cakes, should we buy stock, ha?

Just curious, have you been keeping an eye on your gas mileage? I wonder if your mileage will get better, worse or change at all...

About the mileage, I left my bike stock but just added the PCIII and my mpg went from about 47 average to about 43.

If you're happy with your power and throttle now, then keep it stock, but if you want improvements, get the PCIII and live with the less mileage.

Did you notice any performance increase? Do you plan on adding exhaust or any other mod for performance?

I wouldn't mind trying to get an extra 10 or so ponies out of the Versys.

About the mileage, I left my bike stock but just added the PCIII and my mpg went from about 47 average to about 43.

If you're happy with your power and throttle now, then keep it stock, but if you want improvements, get the PCIII and live with the less mileage.

Just wondering, are you able to look at the stock map for the Versys on computer with USB hookup to PCIII, then compare the downloaded version? Also could you fine tune it some, maybe go little richer on low end and back to near stock lean around cruise RPMs?

In other words, make your own map starting with the downloaded version?

I just ordered the PCIII for a stock bike. You can order it with any mods you put on just as long as you tell them. I don't plan on changing things.

Regarding actual power gains, I don't know what they are. If you are looking for big gains then don't get the PC because they can only do so much with more gas getting to the engine. It mainly makes the throttle a lot smoother, but that's not to say you won't feel more pull.

i havent actually calculated it yet, but all i have on right now is the pcIII, and it seems to be about the same "visually" with the stock map on the pc. though this is purely speculation, my guess it is probably a hair worse, but not enough to notice if you are just riding

im not sure exactly how the program works, but yuou can do anythin g eith it, i know that, and you can adjust rich-lean from buttons on the ship itself at any time

myorangecamaro, interesting you didn't see much change. To complicate matters, I had brought my bike to a dyno but he couldn't really do the job fully due to the muffler not allowing the dyno sensor in because of the muffler shape.

PC said a hole has to be drilled in the muffler to get the reading but I didn't want to do that. Anyway, the dyno guy did the best he could and the bike rides very nice for me.

I wish there was a simple way of just turning the PC off and on to truly observe the difference. All I can say is that I'm happy with the performance increase.

Although I haven't done it, many people just play with different programs to see what works best for their bike.

From reading many forums and reviews on the PC, there are a few people not happy with them but a big majority of them are. Give PC a call because they sure are a helpful bunch of people in that company.

im not sure exactly how the program works, but yuou can do anythin g eith it, i know that, and you can adjust rich-lean from buttons on the ship itself at any time

Funny, if you call PC, they say don't mess with the buttons. Use the computer to change the program.

Give them a call and they'll help you.

did you notice a differnence after having your bike remapped at a dyno? thats odd they couldnt do it because it the muff. i wonder if it will be the same whit the two brothers one? that kinda what it said in the manual........... more or less fuel is a bit broad with gas engines... desiel.... the buttons would work good, gas, probably not, so id hae to agree with you.

You shouldn't have a problem with Two Brothers because the pipe is straight, but be sure before you get a dyno.

Yes I did notice a difference even though it was not a complete dyno. It just "seemed" to pull even harder. I wish I could give factual numbers rather than just my observations, but when I look at so many graphs of other bikes before and after the PCIII, it is clear to me that the power increases and more important, the throttle is smoother.

They say a dyno will usually give about final 15% over just putting in a PCIII which will give about 85% in just the PCIII.

Gas milage is easy to achieve if needed to no matter what on a highly tuned bike...
BIG B here!!...But that requires discipline and the right attitude. Short shifting no matter what and smoother riding lines, faster than normal into and around corners but easier out and quick short upshifts will in my opinion make you a faster rider and safer rider too.. here's why..
by not getting into the revving attiude when hooling around you slow your mind set.

What this means is your brain is not over computing for the conditions.. You all know of accidents where time slows and you can make 30 minutes of choices and thought narration in 2 seconds yeah?? know that it is because our brain suddenly needs to work to preserve life and naturally it does a wonderfull job and shows its true capacity because otherwise we would never make those instant reactions every day without thinking to do it??
So then when you've warmed up into your flow and start actually feeling better about going harder you are much more composed at going faster because of being full of adrenaline cause of your good ol brain over doing it..

PS this will safe fuel forever more when adopted in normal riding conditions and be easier on tyres and chains

well guys , i havent forgotten about it! the ups man owes me two packages and im sure hes been avoiding me!

OK, got the pie today, installed. toatal time about 1 hour, very easy. Contrary to what people say you DO NOT have to remove the rear tire to get the old one off, just have to work it right. my only complaint is that the tbr pipe did not com with any gaskets as they say that none are nessacary, which is half true, you cannot hear the tiny leaks over the sound of the pipe. the bike has quite a bit more power, the front end now will easilly come up in second gear with no clutch, just sit there and throttle up, i have yet to map the power commander to match the increased airflow between the pipe and intake ( will be done at the dyno), the new filter is yet to arrive, and so i am still expecting some more power!
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Looks good! How much louder is it?

Its for sure louder, hard to explain, bot LOUD, but quite a bit, i threw a video on youtube, the sound quality is pretty good, and will give you an idea anyway, i think it sounds really good, its pretty throaty now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jpEuoa5W9U
I did notice it takes a bit longer to start now, not long but just 1-2 more cranks, but my dealer said its just becasue the power commander needs to be mapped, like i thought

Looks and sounds good. My should be at my doorstep today. Where do you live? The begining of that clip looks like a commercial for the Versys.

Have fun! that good ol' washington state

Well i just got home from my two month tug boat ride and im really exieted to get back on my bike! had it dynoed while i was gone and peak power now is nearly 68, i picked up about 5 by tuning it, ill fill you in on the rest when i see the sheets at home tomorrow!

How much total did you spend for the exhuast, PC, Air filter, and Dyno tune?

I can't believe how much more enjoyable the bike is to ride with the Power Commander !!! It makes it so much smoother, and it is not near as jerky (engine compression effect) when you let off the throttle. Why couldn't the factory tune it this good ???

Now I just need to get it dyno'd. I'm running the Akrapovic map right now with the Accelerator pump feature enabled and it runs pretty darn nice. I'd like to try your map if you care to share it. :thumb: :thumb:
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well the pc111 was about 200 or so i think.... the exhaust was 400 ( i got titainium), the filter was 120, and the tune was 340... soooo i never really caulculated that but now that i look its over a grand, but i wasnt looking for a race bike, more or less just playing, and am very happy with the results

PC III runs about $275 shipped, if you found it for $200 I'd love to know where!! You got a steal at that price if it was new.

DNA air filter can be had for about $80, it's $175-200 for a custom tune around here. That price varies a little depending on what part of the country you are in, but that's pretty much the standard tuning price for a single tune. Get a bunch of buddies together, and you can usually get about 8 bikes custom tuned for $125 each to save some money.

If you are on a small budget, you can get a exhaust, air filter, PC III, and custom tune for about $690 total. Knock that to $615 if you get the group tuning price.
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sounds like a great deal! i thought the tune was a bit spendy, well more than the price i was quoted, but the guy did a good job, and i was on the other side of the country and had my bro take it in so i had really no room to argue. expensive, yes, worth it? YES!|

So your bike runs like a raped ape now? Can you eloborate on the results?

If your looking for a little better fuel mileage,try going up 1 tooth(16)on the front sprocket.It also corrected my speedo perfectly. Very little loss of low end,still wheelies 1st and 2nd gear. Also runs lower RPM's for those longer trips.Sun Star is the only brand I know offering the sprocket.Mines been on there for 3 mos.

has anyone tried the two bros juice box instead of the pcIII?

as far as the results go. max power is 67.8 at 8200 rpm, i dont know how much more than stock that is because i cant find any accurate numbers online, but its about 6.5 more than before the tune. max torque is 49.2. stock is about 44. so for such a small motor, im impressed with the recults. im kinda a big guy, about 200 pounds, and could never power wheelie in 2nd, now its quite easy, and 3rd is possible with a heaft pull upward. HALF the difference came from such a cleaner powerband, it pulls very evenly now, and seems to not viberate so much at lower rpms. As far as the sproket goes, i just got one, have not installed because i cant find my torque wrench to crank her down. really looking fwd to dropping the rpms a bit... what do you run at 70?

as far as the results go. max power is 67.8 at 8200 rpm, i dont know how much more than stock that is because i cant find any accurate numbers online, but its about 6.5 more than before the tune.

Do you mean it picked up 6.5 HP between just installing the pipe and PC with stock map and having someone tweak the map on a dyno? Do you have a graph and A/F ratio of the new map?

Online numbers will vary greatly depending on the dyno used, so it'll b hard to compare to stock if you didn't have it done on the same bike/dyno. There can be significant differences between test equipment, before you even consider test conditions and variations between bikes.

As far as the differences with the 16T sprocket, it will run the exact same indicated speed at any given RPM. The difference will be that the error in the speedo will become much smaller, so the speed shown is a lot more accurate. You can expect to run 6% less RPM at the same real speed. A real 70 MPH should be around 5K RPM.

Gustavo

@ 5000rpm my speedo is 70mph. @5500rpm its 77mph.

When I bought my bike, I ordered the PC III and the 2Bros Carbon Fiber Exhaust. I drove the bike stock for a few weeks until the PC III came in. It made a big difference in "felt" torque and had noticably more get up and go. I did, however, notice that with just the PCIII on, I had a minor drop in fuel mileage. My first few tanks I got about 53 mpg or so, with the PCIII only it dropped down to about 48mpg. :(

I finally received my back ordered 2Bros CF slip last weekend. I went to put it on and found they had shorted me one piece in the kit. No big deal, I called them and they overnighted the correct piece to me no charge. Great service. I finally got the exhaust mounted last night about 9pm. I fired her up and wow! :thumb: That is some rumble! I took her out for a spin and oh boy, does she want to fly now! :D Very noticable difference. I can really tell she's breathing better. I was going to have her dyno'd after everything was installed, but then I noticed a warning sticker on the new CF pipe that said the warranty was void if dyno'd because the CF pipes are prone to overheating and meltdown rendering them useless if put on a dyno. Now, I don't know if that is them covering their ass or if it's true.

I will keep an eye on my mileage and report back.

man thats a tuff one.... i would say its more of a covering their ass thing, but they are right, they heat up on the dyno with minimal air flow, but they could just put a few fans on it, when i had mine dynoed they had fans goin all over the place. i went with the titainium one, but the dyno is really worth it if you want to take the risk, my milage dropped terribly with all that stuff, but after having it dynoed i am up around 55 agian, and i drive kinda hard becasue i love the noise she makes!

my milage dropped terribly with all that stuff, but after having it dynoed i am up around 55 agian, and i drive kinda hard becasue i love the noise she makes!

I have the PCIII with everything else stock. The dyno guy did the best he could but said he couldn't get a good read on the pipe due to it not straight. So, he did a bunch of tweaking.

Anyway, I really like the way the bike runs but my mileage is about 45 mpg. I don't ride hard but carry large hard bags that are often full from my weekly travels.

I'd sure like to get better mileage but don't want to run it lean, but do you think something could be done yet for more mpg without screwing things up?

I Asked this question earlier in this thread but had no reply so im going to try one more time .... I know many of you out there have PCIII on there V's . I was wondering if any of you out there especially the guys with the two bros exhaust does anyone use or know how the two bros juice box compares to the PC?? Here is a quick link to the jucie box for those who might like to check it out http://www.twobros.com/Perf_Products/Juice_Box/JuiceBox.htm

I have the PCIII with everything else stock. The dyno guy did the best he could but said he couldn't get a good read on the pipe due to it not straight. So, he did a bunch of tweaking.

Anyway, I really like the way the bike runs but my mileage is about 45 mpg. I don't ride hard but carry large hard bags that are often full from my weekly travels.

I'd sure like to get better mileage but don't want to run it lean, but do you think something could be done yet for more mpg without screwing things up?

Ive learned the hard way, and for what its worth I am compelled to say that this machine will be hard to improve upon in the HP #`s from stock. And to prove the point if the ones who have moded there bikes can find someone living near them with a stock Versys and of similar weight/ height do a simple roll on together. Or take them to local dragway, the clock and mph trap does not lie and is a good way to compare.

From what dynos I have seen posted, it does get a good boost in torque in the low rpm range.
Is it worth the money? I doubt it.
It's not a super sport. It's fun as hell to ride, and it handles great, but a speed demon, it will never be.
If you want something that does good in the 1/4 mile, get a true sportbike. You sure won't have to spend almost a grand to make it go fast.

Top HP isn't everything. The V starts signing off at what, 8 or 9k rpm? I've found the bike is faster if you shift at 8k rpm rather than ring it out to 10k+ rpm. The reason is the motor was tuned for more low end torque, the HP does not pick up very much after a certain point, even though the motor will continue to pull. The main difference between the V's twin and a high performance I-4 sportbike IMHO is that the I-4 motors pull to the moon and continue to build power and speed quickly as the revs build, where as the V has most of it's fun and power crammed into the 5-8k rpm range. More torque quicker down low is a GOOD thing. ;) The few dyno runs posted and feedback I've read online suggest that some minor tuning and mods pay off where we want it and where we use it, not at 11k rpm (where top HP would be most affected) where nobody is running this motor in the first place.

Next time you're trying to build speed in a hurry, try shifting at 8k rpm in every gear. On the next run let the bike rev to 10k. You'll notice that if you let the bike rev too high, say 10k+ rpm before shifting, you will always be above 8k where the Versys isn't pulling as hard anymore, thus giving less performance vs. short shifting at the 8k point.

http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/d/53056-4/kawasaki-versys-dyno-chart.jpg

Luke

I usually shift around 7k.
Thanks for posting the chart, according to it, 7200 will out me at max torque and just shy of max HP. A good place to be for acceleration.

I just ordered the power commander 3, the titainium two brothers exhaust, and a bmc air filter. I have read from alot of pieceing together forums that the pcIII may work best with the two brothers exhaust because there are already maps you can download for the versys in that combonation. I am not trying to make a race bike, or i would have bought a r-45 or whatever, i am just playing and expiermenting really, i just got home from work after being on a tug boat for a few months and ive got the trigger finger! ill let you know how this combo works out!

Get yourself a dyno before and after the modifications. I would bet money you will be disapointed in the slight difference you get for a fair amount of money. Don't bother to quote how much faster it is using the seat of the pants method because that method is influenced too much by the new noise level you get.

Get yourself a dyno before and after the modifications. I would bet money you will be disapointed in the slight difference you get for a fair amount of money. Don't bother to quote how much faster it is using the seat of the pants method because that method is influenced too much by the new noise level you get.

And I'll bet you $$ he gains at LEAST 10% torque at 5000 to 5500 rpms. There are several before and after dyno's already online that show about 8'lbs of torque after a TBR slip on.

As per the Dyno chart he gained 1 HP at the top end. Went from 61.9 to 62.9. Yes he changed the torque curve some but that only changed by 2 NM.

Exactly like I said it isn't even worth the effort. Lose 15 lbs and you would improve performance much more and cost nothing. As a matter of fact you would save money not eating out so much lol. Have a great day. I bet it does sound nice just the same.

As per the Dyno chart he gained 1 HP at the top end. Went from 61.9 to 62.9. Yes he changed the torque curve some but that only changed by 2 NM.

Exactly like I said it isn't even worth the effort. Lose 15 lbs and you would improve performance much more and cost nothing. As a matter of fact you would save money not eating out so much lol. Have a great day. I bet it does sound nice just the same.



After only a pipe mod, Shawn's bike is already putting out more torque at 4300rpm than the stock bike's peak output not reached until 7300rpms. At 5500rpms, the 2nd run dyno chart shows a 10%+ increase in HP. I don't know about you, but when I'm in the mood for quick acceleration I keep my V right around 5000rpms. If you go by PEAK hp and torque alone, you're missing the boat. By the time peak HP is obtained, the little 650 twin is already signing off. You'd be better off shifting early and keeping the bike in the meat of the powerband, which is increased in Shawn's case by about 10% by installing an after market exhaust.

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By Uly do you mean Buel? Just asking.

Luke

8 ft-lbs of torque isn't much all.
I'd rather spend that money on touring accessories for the Versys.
Go ride some awesome twisty roads in the mountains, stop at the overlooks and enjoy the view.

But that's just me.

8 ft-lbs is a ery nice gain. Throttle response also makes a very nice difference. The sound and looks top it off. As for "seat-of-the-pants" vs. actual dyno: seat-of-the-pants is all I need. I'm not racing anybody. If it feels, looks, sounds, runs better to me, it was worth every penny. If you're really worried about the numbers, you started w/the wrong bike. Make yourself happy. I do the mods. on all my bikes. Love 'em.

8 ft-lbs of torque isn't much all.
I'd rather spend that money on touring accessories for the Versys.
Go ride some awesome twisty roads in the mountains, stop at the overlooks and enjoy the view.

But that's just me.

I disagree....but I was wrong, it's not foot pounds of torque (8 more foot pounds would be a 20% increase, which is a LOT on this little motor...), but 8 extra Newton Meters of torque. A 10% increase at 3000 lower RPMs, and it maintains more torque than stock from 4300 to 7300 or so, that's a decent increase in my book. I'm in search of a lil more wheelie power. My dirt bike feels like an aggressive BEAST compared to the Versys. I want more predictable roll on wheelie and fun power. I bought the V because it feels more like a dirt bike. You sit on it like a dirt bike. It handles the twisties almost as good as a decent dirt bike. It's comfortable like a dirt bike. Now I want it to pull like a dirt bike (more TORQUE!).

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Luke

I disagree....but I was wrong, it's not foot pounds of torque (8 more foot pounds would be a 20% increase, which is a LOT on this little motor...), but 8 extra Newton Meters of torque. A 10% increase at 3000 lower RPMs, and it maintains more torque than stock from 4300 to 7300 or so, that's a decent increase in my book. I'm in search of a lil more wheelie power. My dirt bike feels like an aggressive BEAST compared to the Versys. I want more predictable roll on wheelie and fun power. I bought the V because it feels more like a dirt bike. You sit on it like a dirt bike. It handles the twisties almost as good as a decent dirt bike. It's comfortable like a dirt bike. Now I want it to pull like a dirt bike (more TORQUE!).

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Luke

Ah,
yes a little more down low will help the wheelies.

66.8 peak horsepower and 46.3 peake torque..... that is a good percentage over stock. i was very happy with how i spent my money and the power band is WAY more smooth, and low end is far more balanced and responsive, i dont understand why people need to chime to spite you, the thread is called " heres what i did for more power" not " heres what you need to do for more power"

In your last post: 66.8 peak horsepower and 46.3 peake torque
Previous post: as far as the results go. max power is 67.8 at 8200 rpm, i dont know how much more than stock that is because i cant find any accurate numbers online, but its about 6.5 more than before the tune. max torque is 49.2. stock is about 44.

Is your peak torque at 49.2 or 46.3? I'll see how much HP and ft-lbs I can muster out of it without a PCIII in spring 2009...

I wonder if just moving the ignition trigger plate to advance the ign a couple of degrees would do anything...assuming there is an ign trigger plate! I don't think that would get you 5# more torque like the pc3, though...that's a nice increase.

I already did advance ignition timing by 5 degrees... See post # 10:
http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums/showthread.php?t=559&highlight=ignition+timing

49.2 was my second tune.......bike was sputtering around a bit so the guy re-did it for free, said they needed a new sniffer and they installed it just before i got retuned, runs great now and picked up a bit more power.... i am at sea- level tho so thatt helps