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post #21 of 52 (permalink) Old 02-20-2017, 06:45 PM
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Your welcome, trying to pass on some wisdom, didn't order the mirror extenders in the spring, didn't think I needed them, it turns out my heated grip Oxford controller ( mounted on my left mirror) would hit my tank bag, so I bought them in November, Speedy gave me a break on shipping, otherwise the shipping was almost as much as the extenders, to Canada! Now I gained some real-estate. Many ask why the highway mounts and why the lowering pegs if you are height challenged on one end. It makes a huge difference to be able to stretch the legs, The brake extender is needed once lowered and with lowering pegs because you run out of adjustment for the foot brake.Not very expensive and a marvel of engineering, be prepared for astonishment in packaging, seeing is believing!!
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i posted my ideas in your other thread -- check it out :-)
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I don't know if this will help your wife, but I'm female, 5'6", and very long-legged (32" inseam in men's jeans). I lowered the shock down with the knob adjustment as far as it would go and then I bought some really thick-soled boots. I can pretty much get most of the balls of my feet on the ground when I'm as low as I can get in the seat. I'm probably still going to lower it, but lowering this thing is such a PITA compared to the V-Strom I had back in the day! I figure I'll change one variable at a time and see how each affects the ride before I'll take the big step of lowering it. The first real change I'm making is adding a 1 1/2 inch handlebar riser I just ordered from "Speedy." After I see how that changes my riding position, I'll have to see if I want to get a chunk of foam cut out of the seat (possibly requiring lowering the footpegs as well, also a PITA) OR get the lowering done with the kit. Decisions, decisions! Would that I had unlimited fundage! Good luck to you and your wife, and I'm glad to hear she's riding again. Once you get the V outfitted so it fits her, I'm gonna guess that you'll never ride it again! :-)
Just did that this winter, I am deep into more wiring, and hope to take advantage of the plus 15'C weather coming this week, bike probably has another 12 hours of mounting / wiring to do. Taking extra photos for posting later slows the operation down a bit.I am guessing I will have 16 hours of photo editing /Posting when all is done!!
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(possibly requiring lowering the footpegs as well, also a PITA)
Lowering the footpegs is quite quick and easy.

Ditto the gear change.

The only slight PITA was lowering the brake peddle required removing a cover on the right side that was behind my crash bars.

All in all about a 40 minute DIY job (if on a stand or lift) and 20 minutes for a competent mechanic.

Hint - print out the instructions, including photos, especially if you are giving it to somebody else.
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...Like I said, she LOVES the Versys. But it's a tad too tall for her to feel totally confident on it while not moving, and especially when backing up. Hell, I'm 5'11" and it's a little precarious for me when backing up when the ground is slick. So question is, is the MotoWerk lowering kit the best option? And this will also mean adjusting the front shocks and shortening the kickstand. Anything else that needs consideration? Any other thoughts on lowering?

Thanks in advance!
I suggest you set your sag as the FIRST thing you do. I'm 5'9", 31" inseam, stock height bikes (2 Vs). When I get ON it's high, then as I put weight onto the saddle and it 'settles' I can pretty much flat-foot it.

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I suggest you set your sag as the FIRST thing you do. I'm 5'9", 31" inseam, stock height bikes (2 Vs). When I get ON it's high, then as I put weight onto the saddle and it 'settles' I can pretty much flat-foot it.

Good advice, thanks! We set it to the lowest (saggiest?) position when she was test riding it, but it's still too high for her to feel comfortable / confident, as she has a 28" inseam. Lowering kit is happening on Tues.
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I plan to lower mine as well. the other option besides the Motowerk Kit is a Hyperpro lowering spring. Height adjustment - Hyperpro it lowers the bike 1.0" which is the max the front fork tubes can be lowered (tubes taper after that). so to keep original geometry, I am considering trying the rear lowering spring and lower fork tubes same amount.
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I plan to lower mine as well. the other option besides the Motowerk Kit is a Hyperpro lowering spring. Height adjustment - Hyperpro it lowers the bike 1.0" which is the max the front fork tubes can be lowered (tubes taper after that). so to keep original geometry, I am considering trying the rear lowering spring and lower fork tubes same amount.
If you go through the for sale section, you will see where the lowering link has been for sale. If I decide to sell my bike and restore to OEM, I just remove the link and sell it, however the kick stand will need to be extended or replaced. I can weld that piece back in if needed.Changing the spring out won't be as easy a restore to OEM.
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We've got a 3,000+ mile trip we're planning for 2018 but we have time to figure that out. ��



The stock seat hurt after 1.5 hours for me. I just got my Russel seat per advice of fellow experienced long distance riders. I got the "sport" version, I am not a big guy. The seat is AMAZING. I did not wear motoskiveez or bicycle padded shorts and I was fine on an 8 trip to St Louis and back. 4.5 hours in the saddle each way, only stopping once for gas each way. Seat was perfectly comfortable. However, it does make it a bit tougher to reach the ground. They explain all that on there website. The seat is pricey, but I suspect priceless for long ride. I am planning a two week, 6800 miles trip from Louisville KY to Hyder AK in July.
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ahh, good point. I did not think of that.
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While the new auxiliary lights are bigger than I'd pictured in my head, aesthetically I still like the look.




How the lights work, I still don't know. The shop didn't have a relay kit in stock like their inventory system claimed they did (and there also seemed to be some confusion re: the Versys 1000 has the relay kit built in whereas the 650 does not), so I've gotta wait a few days to try them out. 😏

Really like the bike in its new lowered stance. And the wife loves it - she sat on it in the garage last night as soon as I got home (she was giddy) and immediately took to it. She's excited to ride this weekend, so I'm stoked!
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And I just bought the low seat from Mr. Woodard, so I'll see how that affects my ride. I think you can tell I don't really want to lower the bike, so I'm trying to avoid it... But I would like to get just a little more of my feet on the ground. I don't need to be flat-footed, but I don't want to sit at a light on one foot, either. Wish me luck!
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QUESTIONS I ASKED HYPERPRO REGARDING THEIR LOWERING SPRINGS. -25mm. For V1k


My Height 1.75m. Weight 91kg.


Hyperpro -25mm lowering springs, front and rear.


Can you tell me apart from the height reduction of 25mm do the springs still work the same as the regular hyperpro springs?
ANSWER - *Yes, they work the same as they are progressive springs.


Are the springs the same length as the regular springs?
ANSWER - No.


How do the springs achieve the height reduction if the answer to the above question is yes, if not, How?
ANSWER Height reduction is achieved by shorter springs and different spring preload.


Do you have to adjust the front fork position in any way, as you stated that the springs are shorter?
ANSWER You have to raise the fork 20mm through the triple clamp.

If front springs are shorter, is the space taken up with longer spacers, if not what do you do?
ANSWER There are no longer spacers. You just have to apply the spring preload we advise.

You stated the rear is also shorter. How does this affect the fitting on the shock itself?
ANSWER The length of the spring just not affect the fitting of the shock in any way.


If the springs now lower the bike 25mm, does the side stand need to be cut to accommodate this reduction in height?
ANSWER - As far as I can see, there is no need to cut the side stand in case of this particular motorcycle.

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I was told by the HyperPro distributor in the USA that the rear spring is same length. However, the initial coils are weaker so that the bike sits 25 mm lower just from the weight of the bike. Then the normal spring rate starts so it works properly with rider on the bike.
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QUESTIONS I ASKED HYPERPRO REGARDING THEIR LOWERING SPRINGS. -25mm. For V1k


My Height 1.75m. Weight 91kg.


Hyperpro -25mm lowering springs, front and rear.


Can you tell me apart from the height reduction of 25mm do the springs still work the same as the regular hyperpro springs?
ANSWER - *Yes, they work the same as they are progressive springs.


Are the springs the same length as the regular springs?
ANSWER - No.


How do the springs achieve the height reduction if the answer to the above question is yes, if not, How?
ANSWER Height reduction is achieved by shorter springs and different spring preload.


Do you have to adjust the front fork position in any way, as you stated that the springs are shorter?
ANSWER You have to raise the fork 20mm through the triple clamp.

If front springs are shorter, is the space taken up with longer spacers, if not what do you do?
ANSWER There are no longer spacers. You just have to apply the spring preload we advise.

You stated the rear is also shorter. How does this affect the fitting on the shock itself?
ANSWER The length of the spring just not affect the fitting of the shock in any way.


If the springs now lower the bike 25mm, does the side stand need to be cut to accommodate this reduction in height?
ANSWER - As far as I can see, there is no need to cut the side stand in case of this particular motorcycle.

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I question your assumption that the side stand will be OK, when you are raising the front fork 20mm, let us know how that works out.
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If the springs now lower the bike 25mm, does the side stand need to be cut to accommodate this reduction in height?
ANSWER - As far as I can see, there is no need to cut the side stand in case of this particular motorcycle.
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We recommend using a shortened side-stand to ensure the correct lean angle is maintained.

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So there seems a couple of discrepancies in information given from a distributor in the USA to (post by JRW2007) and their head office in Europe (davpag1, me).

One - the length of the springs.

Two - whether it not the side stand has to be lowered to get the correct lean angle.
(quexpress, what you posted was for the V650, not the V1k which they don't show in their site, though I'm sure the info sound correct for both models.)

So it seems I need to get back to asking more questions.



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I was going to reply to a recent thread on lowering but I don't have enough posts to do so (I'd link to said thread but I'm not allowed to do that either), thus the new thread.

So the wife is loving the new Versys and it's got her all excited to ride again. This is huge for us, because it's been a couple years off of two wheels for her. After a fantastic day on an 850 lb 2015 Road Glide Special rental that she was handling like a champ, at the very end of the day after pulling into our crazy steep driveway that ends in an abrupt 90-degree turn, she dropped it and incurred a couple thousand bucks in damages (the dealership didn't offer insurance, believe it or not, so it was all on us). It freaked her out to the point of walking away from riding completely. Until now.

Like I said, she LOVES the Versys. But it's a tad too tall for her to feel totally confident on it while not moving, and especially when backing up. Hell, I'm 5'11" and it's a little precarious for me when backing up when the ground is slick. So question is, is the MotoWerk lowering kit the best option? And this will also mean adjusting the front shocks and shortening the kickstand. Anything else that needs consideration? Any other thoughts on lowering?

Thanks in advance!
get a lowering kit and get some good crash bars. You'll thank me later.
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