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We have a winner!

I never saw it coming, I think even trump is shocked.
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I never saw it coming, I think even trump is shocked.
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Whiner is spelled with an H.
So Isn't Hillary and Hell..

I'm not happy the guy won, but I wouldn't be happy if Hillary won either. I didn't vote for either of them.
But all jokes, insults, and puns aside, I really cannot believe he won.
How someone as outrageous as him, could run against a well oiled machine like the Clinton's, Hollywood, and activist groups etc.. and be within even 10 points of her would be amazing in itself. That he won is just.. Wow. My Wife predicted this though.. She said the Trump Supporters were the silent ones compared to Clinton's supporters. I BARELY saw any trump signs in our neck of the wood, but he pulled a huge win in our district.
And I really thin Trump was not expecting to Win..No he's like, Crap, now I got to do something.
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So Isn't Hillary and Hell..

I'm not happy the guy won, but I wouldn't be happy if Hillary won either. I didn't vote for either of them.
But all jokes, insults, and puns aside, I really cannot believe he won.
How someone as outrageous as him, could run against a well oiled machine like the Clinton's, Hollywood, and activist groups etc.. and be within even 10 points of her would be amazing in itself. That he won is just.. Wow. My Wife predicted this though.. She said the Trump Supporters were the silent ones compared to Clinton's supporters. I BARELY saw any trump signs in our neck of the wood, but he pulled a huge win in our district.
And I really thin Trump was not expecting to Win..No he's like, Crap, now I got to do something.
According to the pundits, Trump didn't actually do any better than Romney. Clinton just did much worse than Obama, mainly with millennials, and blacks.
Artificial Intelligence picked Trump. I was hoping software hadn't gotten that good. Now I'm through with it. Next ride I'm turning it all off!
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According to the pundits, Trump didn't actually do any better than Romney. Clinton just did much worse than Obama, mainly with millennials, and blacks.
Artificial Intelligence picked Trump. I was hoping software hadn't gotten that good. Now I'm through with it. Next ride I'm turning it all off!
I was reading he did better with College educated folks, minorities and women than expected (although still less than Clinton) and as you said, Clinton didn't do as good with those folks as expected. Kind of a perfect Storm.

Wow we are about to go on a wild ride.
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If you are feeling sad, angry, scared and disappointed today, please understand that I know exactly how you feel. I've been living through it the last 8 years. It's okay to feel that way.

We will get through this together if we can keep talking about issues and stop getting wrapped around the axle emotionally. I don't want to go backwards on women's rights, LGBT rights, and minorities still need a voice, but suppressing a large swath of the population like the current administration has done is not a good way to make change. We can move forward from here, but not if we lash out at each other and resort to lecturing and one-sided discussions.

In the end, we all want that same things; to feel safe, to have a future for our children and have the material things that are necessary to survive. Those things are achieved in different ways for different people and the moment we stop listening to each other,we will lose all of them.

For me, this election came down to two choices; the status quo, more elitist politics, or change from outside. The idea of America is that people are smart enough to govern themselves, so let's start today with making better decisions and learning from the past but not dwelling on it.

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The silent majority spoke for the first time since Reagan. The pundits and most of the politicos inside the beltway, including many of the Republicans in the House and Senate have forgotten who they work for, we the people. Trump has his work cut out for him since his relationship with both the House and Senate is tenuous since he wants them to term limit themselves (won't happen), and he has scared the king makers since they did not back him. He is also going to be facing a recession during 2017, even without an increase in interest rates. He's probably a one and done POTUS since the inefficiency of government will not sit well with a businessman. It's all up to the Senate on how much guts they have to slow down the spending machine in D.C.

It appears that many voted for Trump with fear of what was going to happen with SCOTUS appointments, and the scores of federal judge appointments that will be made over the next few years. I think part of Clintons demise was her statement that she planned to make appointments of progressive judges who would pass legislation that is more in line with current mores. I guess in Yale Law School they don't teach that the Senate of the US or each State writes, passes and amends laws, and that judges evaluate laws and interpret their meaning relative to each situation on a case by case basis. As 3Dog said, I don't want to go backwards on any rights afforded our citizens, but at what point do we say NO to people who are not our citizens and have more rights than us. For the sitting POTUS to make the statement on one of the Sunday morning national talk shows last week that he is encouraging all illegals to try and vote, and he would not allow them to be punished was unconscionable. I'm starting to feel like a rube since I have paid taxes for 50 years, obeyed the law, paid my bills, and got married and raised a family; compared to an increasing amount of the population, citizens and non who are living off my taxes paid in, and I'm being told there won't be enough funds to cover my SS and Medicare.

If you don't think the press and the power brokers control almost everything going on, it was reported last night at 10:30 that the DOW futures were off 700 points due to the uncertainty of what would happen if Trump won. Surely somebody made some money on that report? But look, the market only fell 65 points after the opening bell this morning, and 2.5 hours after opening, is now up almost 200 points. I'm having a lot less faith in things I hear. Hold on for the ride, I don't think things are going to be pretty, but it beats following the path of a hybrid form of socialism that we have been going down for a long time.
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but suppressing a large swath of the population like the current administration has done is not a good way to make change.
Curious as to how the current administration suppressed you?
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I don't want to go backwards on any rights afforded our citizens, but at what point do we say NO to people who are not our citizens and have more rights than us.
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Curious as to how the current administration suppressed you?
We were told to sit in the back and shut up. Healthcare cost have gone up over 400% in the past 4 years, my company laid off 50% of it's staff and many other companies in the energy sector have been regulated into non-existence. I've been under/unemployed for 18 months and the nightly news keeps telling me I'm unimportant unless I'm LGBT, and illegal immigrant or on welfare. Any more questions?

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I was watching the morning news out of Tucson this AM, and couldn't get over the CONDESCENSION dripping from the announcer's comment that Trump's win was due to the "rural, uneducated, white voters turning out"....

Donald Trump WON (and the corollary - Hillary Clinton LOST!)!!!

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I was watching the morning news out of Tucson this AM, and couldn't get over the CONDESCENSION dripping from the announcer's comment that Trump's win was due to the "rural, uneducated, white voters turning out"....

Donald Trump WON (and the corollary - Hillary Clinton LOST!)!!!

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I have found many college educated folks I wouldn't necessarily call intelligent. Likewise, i know many folks who work as Welders and mechanics, on pipelines, in power plants and factories that are some of the smartest people I know. They seem to make it seem like only non college educated folks ushered him in, and it"s false, but they need to lay the blame on something.
Face it, Hillary simply wasn't as electable as thought, and didn't get the backing they thought she would get.
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We were told to sit in the back and shut up. Healthcare cost have gone up over 400% in the past 4 years, my company laid off 50% of it's staff and many other companies in the energy sector have been regulated into non-existence. I've been under/unemployed for 18 months and the nightly news keeps telling me I'm unimportant unless I'm LGBT, and illegal immigrant or on welfare. Any more questions?
The ACA went on for like a year and had all kinds of input from Republicans. They just chose not to do anything to help the black guy when it came to voting on it. You do know that "Obamacare" is actually Bob Dole's old Republican healthcare prescription that was first implemented by Mitt Romney, no?
Whose HC costs have gone up 400%? That's certainly not the norm. Are you getting your healthcare via an ACA provider? If not, then it has nothing to do with Obamacare.
If you're working in the energy sector, you know full well that the middle east has glutted the market with oil leading to lower prices which led to a subsequent decrease in employment. Has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Obamacare.
My guess is that, if you were unemployed, Obama increased the time you could draw benefits until the Pubs put the kibosh on that.

One thing I find terribly amusing today is that the market is going bananas because Donald Trump is going to spend money on "infrastructure." Talk about Socialism, he's planning to use tax dollars (that we don't have) to rebuild airports, train stations, and hospitals. None of which are currently gov't provided entities, but I digress. When Obama came into office, we were in a near depression and the Pubs gave him nothing but a ration of crap for spending a few bucks to fix bad roads that DO belong to the gov't. Now, we have under 5% unemployment, no recession, and the govt is prepared to hand out contracts to rebuild private businesses. BRILLIANT!

WTH, it's a great time to make some easy money off this corporate fascist. Don't sweat it, your kids will pay for it all later.
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I have found many college educated folks I wouldn't necessarily call intelligent. Likewise, i know many folks who work as Welders and mechanics, on pipelines, in power plants and factories that are some of the smartest people I know. They seem to make it seem like only non college educated folks ushered him in, and it"s false, but they need to lay the blame on something.
Face it, Hillary simply wasn't as electable as thought, and didn't get the backing they thought she would get.
Having a college degree doesn't make one smart, but it does expose them to things about the world in which they live that those without it generally aren't. Which is why Trump is a bit of a mystery. He talks like he doesn't know a thing about the planet on which he resides. And he went to Whhhharton. The best business school in the universe...believe me.
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The ACA went on for like a year and had all kinds of input from Republicans. They just chose not to do anything to help the black guy when it came to voting on it. You do know that "Obamacare" is actually Bob Dole's old Republican healthcare prescription that was first implemented by Mitt Romney, no?
Whose HC costs have gone up 400%? That's certainly not the norm. Are you getting your healthcare via an ACA provider?
It doesn't matter who's idea the ACA was. I still disagree with your assessment, but my premise was worded incorrectly. Healthcare and Health Insurance are two distinct but related things. My comment should have been "Health Insurance has gone up 400%." for example, I had a premium employer sponsored program that went from about $300/mo for my entire family to over $700/mo for a middle grade program in 2013 and now I'm paying $600/mo to cover just me and my daughter with a low grade HMO program. Now, I don't know if that is accurately 400%, that was an estimate.

Nevertheless, my entire point was, I will listen to your opinion. I will decide if I agree or disagree with your opinion AFTER I have listened to it. I may be be oversimplifying, but I don't feel like I was listened to for the last 8 years where liberals disagreed with me based on my political alignment without ever hearing me. I'm committing to not following that example. Can we agree on that?
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It doesn't matter who's idea the ACA was.
You said that was how you weren't listened to. You were so busy being mad at Obama that you failed to realize he was implementing a Republican policy. And you just re-elected a mess of Republicans!

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My comment should have been "Health Insurance has gone up 400%." for example, I had a premium employer sponsored program that went from about $300/mo for my entire family to over $700/mo for a middle grade program in 2013 and now I'm paying $600/mo to cover just me and my daughter with a low grade HMO program. Now, I don't know if that is accurately 400%, that was an estimate.
Are you getting your insurance from the ACA? If not, then you aren't part of that pool and your policy cost has nothing to do with Obamacare.

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Nevertheless, my entire point was, I will listen to your opinion.
I'm not offering you an opinion. I'm explaining how it works. Not that it matters anymore. We are now living in a fact free eutopia. Enjoy!
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You said that was how you weren't listened to. You were so busy being mad at Obama that you failed to realize he was implementing a Republican policy. And you just re-elected a mess of Republicans!
I didn't say anything about Obamacare, you brought that into the discussion. 60% of people said they didn't want it and they crammed it through Congress, illegally I might add (bills originate in the House, not the Senate), so no, there was not listening.



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Are you getting your insurance from the ACA? If not, then you aren't part of that pool and your policy cost has nothing to do with Obamacare.
You obviously don't know how it works. Insurance is provided by the same companies regardless of their affiliation with the ACA. To answer you question, yes, I do have insurance through the ACA currently, but I provided you a comparison of the cost of insurance before the ACA. You stopped listening though.



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I'm not offering you an opinion. I'm explaining how it works. Not that it matters anymore. We are now living in a fact free eutopia. Enjoy!
I see, if it comes from you, it fact, supported or not. Who's living in a fact free utopia/dystopia?

I try and reach common ground and all you can offer is bile and vitriol. Congratulations!
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I didn't say anything about Obamacare, you brought that into the discussion. 60% of people said they didn't want it and they crammed it through Congress, illegally I might add (bills originate in the House, not the Senate), so no, there was not listening.
People don't vote on such things. If 100% of the people didn't want it, if there representatives pass it, it's law. That's how the system works.
As an aside, when people are asked about the individual parts, nearly 100% love it. It's just once it's balled up and stamped with the black guy's name, people look at it differently. Not sure why that is

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You obviously don't know how it works. Insurance is provided by the same companies regardless of their affiliation with the ACA.
Yes, insurance is provided by companies. The rest of this needs work.

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To answer you question, yes, I do have insurance through the ACA currently, but I provided you a comparison of the cost of insurance before the ACA. You stopped listening though.

Not at all, it's just that I gotta pull teeth to get it out of you. But now that it's out, let's talk about a few years ago when you were paying 50% less ($300/mo). Were you on Obamacare then? Of course not. Were you on an employer's plan who was picking up a large portion of your insurance as part of your compensation. I'll take a wild guess and say yes.


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I see, if it comes from you, it fact, supported or not. Who's living in a fact free utopia/dystopia?

I try and reach common ground and all you can offer is bile and vitriol. Congratulations!
You do understand that when Trump repeals Obamacare, things like pre-existing conditions will go away with it, right? In other words, if you've ever been treated for anything, more than likely, NO insurance company will insure you. And your daughter, how old is she? 18-26? Even if you are able to find a carrier (at an exorbitant rate) your daughter will no longer be eligible to stay on your policy.

You've just written a check, you ain't gonna wanna cash. Too late now brother. I feel for ya.
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Discuss the merits of who voted & what their education is & include all the condescending b*stards on CNN & suchlike but what it boils down to is that The People Have Spoken!!!..Very much like the Brits & Brexit, they were sick & fed up of their Government taking & not listening (especially on immigration policies) so they voted to hurt the clowns in power & didn't that Cameron guy scamper off with his college educated tail between his legs.!!!
Only in Britain, their people were smart enough to at least Google what they were voting for...albeit after they voted. Americans are too confident to bother. Oh, but the realization will come soon enough.
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