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Versys rear end shake

Hi, new member here. I have just bought my first brand new 2014 Versys 650 out of the box (old stock). I saw a post by another member and I too have experienced the same rear end issue. When I am in a corner and decelerate by changing down gears, the rear end gives a little sideways wobble, especially when changing from 3rd to 2nd. I am not changing down hard and the revs only go from 4000rpm to 5000rpm when I change down. My bike is the non-ABS model, I have checked both tyre pressures and I only have 1200 km on the clock, so it cant be tyre wear. Everything is still stock from the factory, including the suspension settings. Any thoughts?
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Hi, new member here. I have just bought my first brand new 2014 Versys 650 out of the box (old stock). I saw a post by another member and I too have experienced the same rear end issue. When I am in a corner and decelerate by changing down gears, the rear end gives a little sideways wobble, especially when changing from 3rd to 2nd. I am not changing down hard and the revs only go from 4000rpm to 5000rpm when I change down. My bike is the non-ABS model, I have checked both tyre pressures and I only have 1200 km on the clock, so it cant be tyre wear. Everything is still stock from the factory, including the suspension settings. Any thoughts?
I got a 2012 new in 2014, and my oem tires were donuts in 7k miles. I got the step up Dunlop Roadsmart II's and they have been wonderful for over 10k miles: wears round as a baby's butt and handles like glue. The oem suck big time. I run about 34/38 lbs air f/r, and others run higher.

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Unless you are a big guy, the stock shock should be fine. I got Progressive since I'm a happy Progressive customer (good hd shock for the money), but most don't need it. Try adjusting it. GET a manual on ebay for $10 or $20 dollars!

And 6k rpm is where your midrange cam kicks in, so you are dangerously close to breaking loose of the pavement when downshifting near where you are doing it at, esp with leaning on lumpy hard (old) tires, lol. ymmv.

Check your chain adjustment/lube and alignment to the rear sprocket too. 2014 model should be a smooth chassis to ride on compared to earlier years, esp. Gen 1.

And if you are a heavy chap, you might want to investigate different brake pad materials instead of oem steel bit pads: they are frictionless on ss discs.

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hmmm stock cr@py tyres and changing down gear in a corner - there's your problem.

you should stay in gear in a corner...
downshifting will lighten the rear end as you have removed power traction... giving you less grip then once you are in a lower gear with higher rpm the engagement of the new gear can spin the rear wheel as it now has more power to it... can be the cause of the wobble you describe.

I'm 38xxxkm now on stock suspension and have never had rear end wobble - then again i don't downshift mid corner.

I think you need to look at you riding style than fix what is not the problem.
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hmmm stock cr@py tyres and changing down gear in a corner - there's your problem.

you should stay in gear in a corner...
downshifting will lighten the rear end as you have removed power traction... giving you less grip then once you are in a lower gear with higher rpm the engagement of the new gear can spin the rear wheel as it now has more power to it... can be the cause of the wobble you describe.

I'm 38xxxkm now on stock suspension and have never had rear end wobble - then again i don't downshift mid corner.

I think you need to look at you riding style than fix what is not the problem.
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hmmm stock cr@py tyres and changing down gear in a corner - there's your problem.

you should stay in gear in a corner...
downshifting will lighten the rear end as you have removed power traction... giving you less grip then once you are in a lower gear with higher rpm the engagement of the new gear can spin the rear wheel as it now has more power to it... can be the cause of the wobble you describe.

I'm 38xxxkm now on stock suspension and have never had rear end wobble - then again i don't downshift mid corner.

I think you need to look at you riding style than fix what is not the problem.
+1 for this. Look for a good article on cornering. The method is get rid of all your speed and do your downshifting in the straight line before the corner. Then look and lean in to the corner and lightly accelerate as you start the exit of the corner.
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The following quote is NOT correct:

"And if you are a heavy chap, you might want to investigate different brake pad materials instead of oem steel bit pads: they are frictionless on ss discs."

OEM brakes are PDG!!!

Try matching revs when you downshift in a corner, and RELEASE the clutch lever gradually, rather than all at once....
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The following quote is NOT correct:

"And if you are a heavy chap, you might want to investigate different brake pad materials instead of oem steel bit pads: they are frictionless on ss discs."

OEM brakes are PDG!!!

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How did I miss that load of rubbish!

I'm probably the most heavy set guy here 150+ kg
as @fasteddiecopeman says - Stock pads are good - there are Sintered HH
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How did I miss that load of rubbish!

I'm probably the most heavy set guy here 150+ kg
as @fasteddiecopeman says - Stock pads are good - there are Sintered HH
330 lbs and 5'-4" tall, and no bike. Yep, you are a good source of information blowhard. You don't have a clue and couldn't reach the ground anyway if you had a Versys. Here is my bike, I ride EVERY day, methane breath (note the date stamp for REAL Versys riders with integrity that don't copy Advrider pics.)






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330 lbs and 5'-4" tall, and no bike. Yep, you are a good source of information blowhard. You don't have a clue and couldn't reach the ground anyway if you had a Versys. Here is my bike, I ride EVERY day, methane breath (note the date stamp for REAL Versys riders with integrity that don't copy Advrider pics.)





You really are a tosser! full of misinformation and BS.
Please stop harassing the good folk here that have something positive and constructive to say to other owners.

You can't get anything right!
I'm 6' 4.5"/195cm and 330llbs/150kg

My bike has been posted here on the forums in many threads...

just for reference... my 2012 Versys
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Since you seem to be preoccupied with harassing me, shooting off your mouth repeating the obvious or total bs, I would not say you are good people. You have provided no evidence you have a Versys 650 and show no knowledge either that you have owned one. Your remarks are in left field, and I GD knew you would not have any date stamp on your pic: the sign of an Advrider. I prove I own one in what stage of development every time I post a pic; and usually I have about 3 or more projects going on, to now anyway (it's almost perfect now though.)

I tried to tell the new owner what I did when i got my bike to systemically cover all the bases: from Versys Owner to Versys Owner! You evidently don't know what it's like. You just shot your mouth off repeating the obvious after it was already posted several times (like we were all waiting for your assessment, LOL!) The bike is a system and not what you can figure out after reading 6 other posts at one point in time.

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Since you seem to be preoccupied with harassing me, shooting off your mouth repeating the obvious or total bs, I would not say you are good people. You have provided no evidence you have a Versys 650 and show no knowledge either that you have owned one. Your remarks are in left field, and I GD knew you would not have any date stamp on your pic: the sign of an Advrider. I prove I own one in what stage of development every time I post a pic; and usually I have about 3 or more projects going on, to now anyway (it's almost perfect now though.)

I tried to tell the new owner what I did when i got my bike to systemically cover all the bases: from Versys Owner to Versys Owner! You evidently don't know what it's like. You just shot your mouth off repeating the obvious after it was already posted several times (like we were all waiting for your assessment, LOL!) The bike is a system and not what you can figure out after reading 6 other posts at one point in time.

Good luck Troll...oolloollolllooooo
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Good luck Troll...oolloollolllooooo
Down syndrome is a bummer when you're house bound, huh?
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Down syndrome is a bummer when you're house bound, huh?
Now that sounds like a personal attack.
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Now that sounds like a personal attack.
No, "Good luck Troll...oolloollolllooooo" is a personal attack to a Versys Owner talking to other Versys owners being interrupted.

"Down syndrome is a bummer when you're house bound, huh?" is empathetic and trying to make you quit your child ego state posts: i.e. start talking adult to adult, with no psychological games. In other words, it is therapeutic. Am I the first person to give a damn about you?

I'm OK, You're OK: no child egos state psychological games needed or wanted on an Adult Versys Owner site. The first $200 of therapy was free. The rest will cost you: go ask Mama to wire me some money ($200.)
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Hi, new member here. I have just bought my first brand new 2014 Versys 650 out of the box (old stock). I saw a post by another member and I too have experienced the same rear end issue. When I am in a corner and decelerate by changing down gears, the rear end gives a little sideways wobble, especially when changing from 3rd to 2nd. I am not changing down hard and the revs only go from 4000rpm to 5000rpm when I change down. My bike is the non-ABS model, I have checked both tyre pressures and I only have 1200 km on the clock, so it cant be tyre wear. Everything is still stock from the factory, including the suspension settings. Any thoughts?
Hey James. Sorry the children got out of control on this thread. You upset the suspension by downshifting while leaned over.

I recommend you pick up a copy of "Total Control" by Lee Parks.

There are also some good videos on YouTube that describe cornering as well. Here is a couple sources I have not checked out. Twist of the Wrist I & II FREE PDF Plus Video

Watch Videos Online | A Twist of the Wrist 2 | Veoh.com

Also, do a little reading on "The Pace".
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The stock tires are fine, but stickier tires can compensate for poor riding techniques.
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Yesterday I felt the slight burble from the rear end as I entered a decreasing radius downhill exit ramp from the freeway. I was already entering the corner and rolled off the throttle. The weight moved forward a bit and the rear end did a little loop-de-loop. Not enough to cause concern, but enough to notice. Grooves in the concrete may have contributed some, too.

I've not felt this at other times on this bike. Maybe better tires would help reduce it some, too. I'm no expert but there was a definite connection to unweighting the rear wheel.
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Did he went on and on about how EBC HH pads are a godsent gift to humanity because of their high copper content? Did he rambled about the conspiracy to get us to buy loads of replacement brake disks?

I did notice that:

- Brake pads were talked about.
- He requested pictures.
- Picture without timestamp was posted

So, did he do anything new or was it just good old kawdog?
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No, "Good luck Troll...oolloollolllooooo" is a personal attack to a Versys Owner talking to other Versys owners being interrupted.

"Down syndrome is a bummer when you're house bound, huh?" is empathetic and trying to make you quit your child ego state posts: i.e. start talking adult to adult, with no psychological games. In other words, it is therapeutic. Am I the first person to give a damn about you?

I'm OK, You're OK: no child egos state psychological games needed or wanted on an Adult Versys Owner site. The first $200 of therapy was free. The rest will cost you: go ask Mama to wire me some money ($200.)
Looks like you need some sleep--your headlight protector was a good post--lets try for the same , something like ATGATT, but in posting.
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