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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 03-23-2009, 03:55 PM Thread Starter
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Adjustable Windscreen Brackets - Madstad or Algard?

I have been reading all the comments on the Madstad bracket, but only recently tripped over one of our members (can't remember which thread) who has a similar gizmo from Algard, although it is not shown (that I can see) on the Algard website. I contacted Algard (they responded within an hour or so), and got the following info:

Hello ,
thank you very much for your interest in ALGARD products.

Here are the prices for adjustable screen bracket (Laser cut Stainless steel/ CNC machined Aluminium alloy):

-screen bracket _____48.00 EUR

Postage additional:

-Europe_____________7,55 EUR (4-7 days)

-rest of the world______8,30 EUR (10-15 days)

Pics Attached.

So, the obvious question, which one is better? Anyone tried both or seen both in action? The Algard is a bit cheaper, but at first glance may not have as much height adjustment (just guessing). Rigidity differences? Clearly the Madstad is an "adjust on the fly" thing (finger knobs), whereas the Algard needs tools (although I could see myself getting it right then leaving it alone...).

Whatya think??
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wow i was just wondering if anyone made something like this.....

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IMHO, the algard looks gorgeous, whereas the madstad looks kinda..uh..industrial. I'm going for the algard, cuz' I just don't think I could stand to look at the madstad w/o going mad myself! I'm sure they work great, however, with many satisfied customers.
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... Clearly the Madstad is an "adjust on the fly" thing (finger knobs), whereas the Algard needs tools (although I could see myself getting it right then leaving it alone...).

Whatya think??
I've had an '03 ST1300 since new and the power adjustable windshield is a fantastic feature. I've begun playing with the MadStad and envision opportunities to move it around during a day. Leave home at first light? Up high to send the cool morning air up and around, late morning slide it down for some more fresh air, hot afternoon tip it back to let the air rush through my mesh jacket. You could do that with tools, but would you?

Not having used the Algard, I still vote in favor of adjustability.



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hey, maybe we could do a group buy on the algard???
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They're brackets. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder but how pretty can a bracket be? In my opinion, they're all ugly. That being said, the Givi has shading in the bracket area and it's hard to see the bracket from the front of the bike anyway.

With the Madstad bracket and the Givi screen, I don't put the windshield in the highest position because it allows too much air to blow underneath the windshield to be practical. I don't know if you want to choose the Madstad bracket simply because it offers the extra height.

The clear advantage to the Madstad bracket is the finger knobs. I have changed the windshield position at a red light with gloves on. I wouldn't think of buying a bracket that requires tools no matter how pretty it is.

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All good points...the adjustability on the fly could be handy. I think the Algard is a slicker looking piece of engineering, but wonder re: rigidity...For sure a lot more good feedback on the Madstad, and the video on their website is very convincing.

Links? No, Algard did not provide any - that's why I emailed them, as I could find no trace of this thing on their website. Perhaps it's new and the website has yet to be updated. They just sent me the jpg's that I posted here. Cheers. Dave.
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It looks like Speedy's GPS mount might work with the Algard brackets. I understand it won't work with the Madstad bracket.

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All good points...the adjustability on the fly could be handy. I think the Algard is a slicker looking piece of engineering, but wonder re: rigidity...For sure a lot more good feedback on the Madstad, and the video on their website is very convincing.

Links? No, Algard did not provide any - that's why I emailed them, as I could find no trace of this thing on their website. Perhaps it's new and the website has yet to be updated. They just sent me the jpg's that I posted here. Cheers. Dave.

I would take "on the fly" with a grain of salt. You still need to stop and adjust it. Can you do it while in motion? Sure. I've done it, but wouldn't recommend it, because of the inherent safety issue as well as the shield will flop down nearly instantly due to the wind pressure once the knobs are loosened....don't ask me how I KNOW this....
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ok, "on the fly" meant "no tools required"...did not mean while riding
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My personal opinion is that the Madstad is kind of ugly and flimsy. The Algard looks like a better product. I can’t see any reason why you couldn’t replace the Algard nuts with knobs or thumb screws. Most hardware store should have these and if not in metric you could replace the bolts and nuts with American ones, generally there are ones that are close enough in size.
I think I will make my own version (I make most everything…pannier brackets, handlebars, freeway pegs, throttle lock, etc.) so this should be a piece of cake for me although I know that not everyone either has the tools or time for this.
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I have the madstad, it works well.
it is a bit wobbly at high speed, and on my bike it vibrates a bit at 4.5k rpm (others have solved this issue though...)... but I am happy with it, and it gives a great amount of flexibility in mounting angles etc...

never used the algard, though it does look slick!

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oh... and youre right, you pretty much find the angle/height you like, and don't really need to move it from there very often...

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I have been reading all the comments on the Madstad bracket, but only recently tripped over one of our members (can't remember which thread) who has a similar gizmo from Algard, although it is not shown (that I can see) on the Algard website. I contacted Algard (they responded within an hour or so), and got the following info:

Hello ,
thank you very much for your interest in ALGARD products.

Here are the prices for adjustable screen bracket (Laser cut Stainless steel/ CNC machined Aluminium alloy):

-screen bracket _____48.00 EUR

Postage additional:

-Europe_____________7,55 EUR (4-7 days)

-rest of the world______8,30 EUR (10-15 days)

Pics Attached.

So, the obvious question, which one is better? Anyone tried both or seen both in action? The Algard is a bit cheaper, but at first glance may not have as much height adjustment (just guessing). Rigidity differences? Clearly the Madstad is an "adjust on the fly" thing (finger knobs), whereas the Algard needs tools (although I could see myself getting it right then leaving it alone...).

Whatya think??
Anyone have a link for the Algaurd site.

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Anyone have a link for the Algaurd site.
http://www.versys.info/versys/
But there is nothing about brackets. Looks like that e-mail is only way to contact and get more information.

I received my brackets last week and I feel that I got a new bike at the same time. No more wind noise. And simply with OEM screen.

Brackets are 1st class workmanship. And delivery went just fine. It took about week to get my packet from order. I have a feeling that Algard is very serious with these accessories he is producing and that's why I trusted him. And now I can recommend Algard.

Madstad is probably ok, but the price after shipping, taxes and customs would have been way too high. Algard is simplier, cheaper and works just fine.

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After using the Madstadd for five months it vibrates way too much IMO. I have cranked everything tight and it has held up OK, but it drives me nuts that it shakes so much.

I will say that I have very aggressive tires on the bike and I ride a lot of dirt trails and that contributes to the vibration, but I always feel like the thing is one medium bump away from coming off.
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I have the Madstad, and it does wobble if you use it just like it come to you.

There are some ways to stiffen and brace it so it doesn't do that.

If you look at some of the windshield threads, comparing calsci and Mikes shields, I have put in some pictures of how I braced and shimmed mine.

I am using a tall shield now, and I don't get very much wobble at all, even on dirt roads, which I travel a lot.

The Madstad can be made to be pretty stable with just a little innovation, and a few bolts , nuts and a shim or two.

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I'll paste below what the comapny wrote / quoted me......................



Hello ,

thank you very much for your interest in ALGARD products. Pictures and detailed description can be seen on www.versys.info
Here are the prices for ALGARD engine guard (black or silver):

-engine guard________98.00 EUR
-rear extension_______20,00 EUR
-screen bracket ______48.00 EUR

Shipping cost additional:
-Europe_____________18,50 EUR (4-7 days)
-rest of the world-depends on the country- from 23.00 to 32.00 EUR (10-15 days)

How to purchase ALGARD products?
They can be ordered directly from me (producer). That's the guaranty for the lowest prices.
You have two options:
-PayPal
-Bank transfer.

If you prefer PayPal just reply to this E-mail and tell me that you have chosen PayPal and exactly which product are you ordering.
PayPal will send you a form to fill in and send me a confirmation that you have made the payment. Package will be sent to you within a few days after receiving the confirmation from PayPal.
Paypal is safe and easy way to make an online payment using your credit/debit card even if you are not a PayPal member (learn more https://www.paypal.com/ ).

If you prefer bank transfer just reply to this E-mail and tell me that you have chosen bank transfer and exactly which product do you want. I will send you the bank account details for the payment. Package will be sent to you within a few days after receiving the payment.

I will gladly answer any additional questions you may have so please don't hesitate to ask.


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Hiii... how did any of you who have bought the algard windscreen brackets manage to get in contact with the ALGARD company? I have now be trying by mail for a week, but without any answer....
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