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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 03-20-2017, 08:59 PM Thread Starter
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Ouch...I hope the rider wasn't hurt too badly.

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The bike may have been a little on the fast side traveling in the HOV lane, but I think the car cut into that lane without looking far enough back. I think the car with the camera would have had to hit the binders pretty hard to keep from rear ending him.

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Looks like the offending car did a fast double lane change.... in my book that is stupid and irresponsible and only death by fire ants is so ordered.
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The headline for the video says "dumbass biker"............
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The headline for the video says "dumbass biker"............
Apparently posted by a cager that knows nothing about riding...
That was 100% on the lane-changing cager...

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Apparently posted by a cager that knows nothing about riding...
That was 100% on the lane-changing cager...
I agree..........the cage was the cause, however, if the biker had been riding "cautiously" it would not have happened. I always expect cars to do stupid crap and try to kill me. I have fewer "pucker" moments that way.
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It seems like it was a perfect storm of stupid, but being from somewhere that lane splitting isn't allowed, I was under the impression that it is only legal within 5-10 mph of the surrounding traffic which would put the biker at fault. Or am I wrong? Honest question.
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I've always been under the understanding that the GREATER the difference between your speed and that of surrounding traffic - the GREATER YOUR chance of a mishap...!

ALSO he passed the vehicle w/ the camera - on its right.

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Camera car straddling yellow line to the left of lane, means it probably wasn't visible in side mirror of merging car. Biker, may have been visible, maybe not.. perfect storm of stupidity.. however I have zero sympathy for biker in the case.
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Cage clearly has turn signal on, dotted line means no limit on entry/exit for the cager (unlike many CA HOV lanes), however just because your signal is on doesn't relieve you of an obligation to shoulder check and properly merge to match the prevailing speed of the lane. Same as an on-ramp.

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The motorcycle was already occupying the lane. The car will be found at fault for not safely making a lane change.

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In Illinois if you hit someone behind the front doors of the vehicle, it's your fault, PERIOD! The car should not have changed lanes. The guy on the bike should not have been going that fast a lane over from that slow of traffic. I think they are both a little at fault in this situation. And I'm not sure why the guy that was recording was driving halfway on the shoulder.
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In Illinois if you hit someone behind the front doors of the vehicle, it's your fault, PERIOD! The car should not have changed lanes. The guy on the bike should not have been going that fast a lane over from that slow of traffic. I think they are both a little at fault in this situation. And I'm not sure why the guy that was recording was driving halfway on the shoulder.

Lane Splitting ( Filtering ) is legal here in Cali. So the truck like a lot of folks here will move over when they see a bike behind them to give them more room to get by. The car did what a lot of folks do here also. Didn't bother to use their mirror before changing lanes. Just something you have to deal with here on a day to day basis.

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Lane Splitting ( Filtering ) is legal here in Cali. So the truck like a lot of folks here will move over when they see a bike behind them to give them more room to get by. The car did what a lot of folks do here also. Didn't bother to use their mirror before changing lanes. Just something you have to deal with here on a day to day basis.
In IL and MO, people don't look before changing lanes either, that means they'd have to look up from their phones.
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The biker exceeded the allowed speed by a lot.

Which puts the biker at fault as well. The cager might have looked in the mirror and didn't see the biker, then started merging but a moment later the biker was already there because of the high speed. Both are at fault here.
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Which puts the biker at fault as well. The cager might have looked in the mirror and didn't see the biker, then started merging but a moment later the biker was already there because of the high speed. Both are at fault here.


How can you be sure he was speeding???? The cars to the right were moving slower because of congestion. They both might be at fault but the cager will be more for making an unsafe lane change.

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aaaand THIS is why I move at the speed of surrounding traffic.
and pay attention to what Messrs. Rear View Mirrors tell me.
and signal my intentions.
and make no sudden moves.
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