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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 03-04-2017, 09:23 PM Thread Starter
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RAISING THE '16 for repairs

does anyone here routinely use a floor jack under the muffler, with a wood cushion, to raise the bike for repairs? i have a strap down device i bought from harbor freight for stability, but was cautious about damaging something by putting the weight on the muffler and its supports.
any opinions, based on experience sure would be appreciated.
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I raise the front end by using a bottle jack under the engine...........I tried using a HF motorcycle jack under the muffler and it was way too tippy.
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I ALWAYS leave my Vs (BOTH of 'em) on a rear-stand via swingarm-spools.

WHEN I've needed to, I attach something from the handlebars to the ceiling for SAFETY whenever I need to lift under the engine, to keep things from "going sideways", and w/ a wood pad ON the jack-stand.
IE - greasing the steering-head bearings.









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This has been mentioned many times, right now Princess auto has a hydraulic lift rated at 800 LBs on sale for around $375 for those that are doing all their own work and find it difficult to bend the knees or in my case have trifocals and prefer looking straight forward. My spool lift cost $75 Canadian, many on this forum have the same harbor freight stand, my prop stand cost nothing, however it might cost $5 to buy the tubing. My prop stand will work on both the front or the rear, that is if I get a flat on the front, I can get the wheel in the air, get my tire plugger out and fix it. The cost of the after market center stand is equal to a motorcycle lift in price, secondly, it will only work on a level surface, last, if you get a flat, you better be capable of lifting 200 LBs.

As the pictures show, using a jack under the muffler, I would never consider that as I have at least two other ways, both real cheap, and using my cable hoist. The muffler wasn't designed to lift the bike, you are going through a welded pipe and the exhaust manifold, one very expensive way to lift the bike, again this is my opinion,, just because Eddie does it or I disagree shouldn't have a bearing on what you do.

I also made a motorcycle lift using a old bumper jack and a bed frame, welded a 3/4 rigid pipe to where the bumper attachment was, I can pick up my whole bike using the tubing running through the frame just below the seat, if I was ambitious I would put wheels on the support frame, cost =$0.00, and some welding rod I had, comes apart into two pieces.
There is a similar set up in the How To Forum prop stands and other. One day I will post my stand.

My first version 2007 http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums/677449-post12.html

My 2015 version using the same stainless 1/2 inch by 3.5 inches bolt http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...30-post15.html One thing to understand, the slot is for a 120 LB wire ty to act as a lock in place, just slides through, imagine the prop stand in place at a 8 o'clock or 4 o'clock position on the front wheel axle. You have the steering turned full right before attaching, go to the handle bars, side stand is obviously already down, grab both handle bars and pull back, shifting some weight onto the kick stand, about 30 to 40 lbs pulling force with a flat tire, gravity has the prop stand go vertical, the wire ty stops it from falling off the bolt, release/ stop pulling, wheel is in the air, recommend using a bungee from right grip to frame to increase stability. Unfortunately steering lock is full left.

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This has been mentioned many times, right now Princess auto has a hydraulic lift rated at 800 LBs on sale for around $375 for those that are doing all their own work and find it difficult to bend the knees or in my case have trifocals and prefer looking straight forward. My spool lift cost $75 Canadian, many on this forum have the same harbor freight stand, my prop stand cost nothing, however it might cost $5 to buy the tubing. My prop stand will work on both the front or the rear, that is if I get a flat on the front, I can get the wheel in the air, get my tire plugger out and fix it. The cost of the after market center stand is equal to a motorcycle lift in price, secondly, it will only work on a level surface, last, if you get a flat, you better be capable of lifting 200 LBs.

As the pictures show, using a jack under the muffler, I would never consider that as I have at least two other ways, both real cheap, and using my cable hoist. The muffler wasn't designed to lift the bike, you are going through a welded pipe and the exhaust manifold, one very expensive way to lift the bike, again this is my opinion,, just because Eddie does it or I disagree shouldn't have a bearing on what you do.

I also made a motorcycle lift using a old bumper jack and a bed frame, welded a 3/4 rigid pipe to where the bumper attachment was, I can pick up my whole bike using the tubing running through the frame just below the seat, if I was ambitious I would put wheels on the support frame, cost =$0.00, and some welding rod I had, comes apart into two pieces.
There is a similar set up in the How To Forum prop stands and other. One day I will post my stand.
Ok Onewizard, I've got the prop for the back (chain lubing/tire repair etc.) but I need to see a pic or two of the front one. I don't want to drag a bottle jack along (even a small one).
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Hey duff

i like simplicity and yours appears the easiest. do you use the little nubby under the oil filter as the precise point of lift, or is there a better spot?
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One prop stand does both front and back. I have recently made a addition to my original stand by carrying a piece of 3" square by 3/8 conveyor belt , for uneven pavement and also to reduce possibility of slipping.Can also be used in a parking lot or on grassy/ soft surfaces, rigid enough to act as a flat foot.Only drawback is the length, looked at hinging it and didn't like the idea. It takes more time to get it out of the bike than getting the bike in the air.

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onewizard, sorry, don't have the $375 nor can i weld. the postings in the other forums all seem complicted and i don't have the capability of using a cable hoist on the front end. i was hoping for something simple and inexpensive, a hard combination. duffy has an answer that might work for me with the bike on a rear, harbor freight lift that i learned about on this forum.
i share your trepidation on the muffler lifting. i also prefer to be safe than sorry.
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Front Triple Tree & Rear Swingarm SpoolLift Stands

I use these Front Triple Tree & Rear Swingarm SpoolLift Stands.



They work very well!

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onewizard, sorry, don't have the $375 nor can i weld. the postings in the other forums all seem complicted and i don't have the capability of using a cable hoist on the front end. i was hoping for something simple and inexpensive, a hard combination. duffy has an answer that might work for me with the bike on a rear, harbor freight lift that i learned about on this forum.
i share your trepidation on the muffler lifting. i also prefer to be safe than sorry.
The stand that was just posted by quexpress is similar to what I use on the rear. Let me say in all the years I have owned motorcyles, 40 plus, the lifting of the front was less than 10 times in 40 years. The only reason I would have is for repairing a flat, removing the front wheel for a tire change, is the only one that won't work with my prop stand, that is where a triple tree stand comes into play, I don't own one. Others have used the side stand and foot pegs, using engine stands, in fact somewhere on this forum, my 07 bike was on the lift with engine stands under the foot pegs , as I was working on the front wheel. To get the bike up on the engine stands was done with a small trolley jack.Also used engine stands on rear bobins. Photo is 07
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I use these Front Triple Tree & Rear Swingarm SpoolLift Stands.



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These stands were posted earlier, I found the front attachment stopped at something like 18mm, ours takes 27mm, so did you make it or is there another link?
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The stand that was just posted by quexpress is similar to what I use on the rear. Let me say in all the years I have owned motorcyles, 40 plus, the lifting of the front was less than 10 times in 40 years. The only reason I would have is for repairing a flat, removing the front wheel for a tire change, is the only one that won't work with my prop stand, that is where a triple tree stand comes into play, I don't own one. Others have used the side stand and foot pegs, using engine stands, in fact somewhere on this forum, my 07 bike was on the lift with engine stands under the foot pegs , as I was working on the front wheel. To get the bike up on the engine stands was done with a small trolley jack.Also used engine stands on rear bobins. Photo is 07
onewizzard, i believe i saw an old picture of you arrangement. i could use the same system on mine, with the engine stands under the foot pegs. you mensioned using a trolley jack; where was it placed to raise the bike so you could place the engine stands?
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does anyone here routinely use a floor jack under the muffler, with a wood cushion, to raise the bike for repairs? i have a strap down device i bought from harbor freight for stability, but was cautious about damaging something by putting the weight on the muffler and its supports.
any opinions, based on experience sure would be appreciated.
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I lift my bike from under the right side foot peg mount to tripod it on front wheel and kick stand. This was secure enough to do rear suspension work. I would imagine lifting under the muffler would dent it.
For regular maintenance I would suggest putting spools on the rear swing arm (10mm size, except for 2015 or later biker that are 8mm). The rear swing arm is threaded for these. Spools are ~$10 on eBay and will help protect the swing arm in a drop. Lift with a rear pit stand under the lifting spools. For starters this puts the bike upright and in a good position for maintenance and is easier to get the bike up on and more secure.

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These stands were posted earlier, I found the front attachment stopped at something like 18mm, ours takes 27mm, so did you make it or is there another link?
I had a local machinist make a 27mm sleeve to fit over the front attachment.
Note: Someone also mentioned using a ratchet socket over the front attachment but I do not remember in what thread.

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onewizzard, i believe i saw an old picture of you arrangement. i could use the same system on mine, with the engine stands under the foot pegs. you mensioned using a trolley jack; where was it placed to raise the bike so you could place the engine stands?
Not my picture, I have the Speedy foot peg lowering blocks, folded up they extend out an additional 1 1/4 which allows using a trolley jack on one side.The photo I think you saw is this one , and he just lifts the bike from one sidehttp://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums/1298194-post5.html lifting is done putting the engine stand under the brake side first then lifting and sliding under the side stand side.

For stability you can't beat this homemade version http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums/1298538-post2.html

Next time I am working on the bike I will post my bumper jack lift, I made it to be able to lift the whole bike while either on the floor or while on my bike lift.

One word of caution, the engine/ vehicle stands could easily cost you the price of the most expensive lift out there if the bike slips off. When working on the bike, and this applies to any lift, make sure you break loose any major fasteners, such as the axle nut, before you lift the bike,and that applies to final torque also, recently someone learned the hard way, bike crashed to the ground and injured the person in the process.

Also be aware, using the triple tree lift involves using it combined with the rear lift.

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Onewizard......I got the impression that you were using the rear prop (piece of wood or an old crutch like Eddie) on the front also. I'm looking for something to raise the front if I have a flat while traveling. If you use that on the front, where do you use it.

Perhaps I got the wrong impression in my reading............it happens.
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Onewizard......I got the impression that you were using the rear prop (piece of wood or an old crutch like Eddie) on the front also. I'm looking for something to raise the front if I have a flat while traveling....
So far I've NOT had a front flat, but IF I do, my plan would be to roll it till I can access the puncture hole, then HOPEFULLY plug the hole and add air.... ALL on the sidestand.

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These stands were posted earlier, I found the front attachment stopped at something like 18mm, ours takes 27mm, so did you make it or is there another link?
Kapsco Moto sells the steering stem stand with a 27mm tree pin.

If you already have the steering stem stand, you could order Pin Kit #2.

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Kapsco Moto sells the steering stem stand with a 27mm tree pin.

If you already have the steering stem stand, you could order Pin Kit #2.

$5 shipping, not bad.
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