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Continental TKC80 or Shinko 705?

Good morning all! I plan on using my V as my daily commuter this year, just as soon as the weather will allow. My shop is 50 miles from my house, with about 5 miles of loose gravel road, and the rest highway. I will also be riding a lot of ungroomed trails (all fairly flat, nothing too knarly), in search of the best fishing spots along the river. I definitely want a more aggressive tire and like both the TKC80 and 705. What's the better all around tire? I like the more aggressive looks of the TKC80, and a knob has to be better on the dirt, right? Will the Shinko's do what I want on the trails, and gravel roads? Will the TKC80's provide at least decent life on the e-way?
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https://fortnine.ca/en/best-adventure-dual-sport-tires/

You most likely will have to go with a 150/70-17 rear instead of the OEM 160/60-17 and hope the tire you choose is available in a 120/70-17 front size - not all are.

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Heidenau K60 Scout? Just how bad is it in the rain? Does anyone have any thoughts? Everything the article said sounds great, except for it becoming a water ski in the rain.
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My recommendation with 12K miles of ridden data behind me has to be the TKC80 (stock 120) front and the Mitas E07 (150) Dakar for the rear. I had run a K60 for about 8500 miles and never had any problems with it in the rain, maybe our Alaskan asphalt is different? It did well on and off road, but the Mitas has done better for me. The TKC is the only tire I will run in the front. I've always been an advocate of having the best possible traction in the front. For the simple fact if you loose traction with the front tire you more than likely will be going down, so set yourself up with the best chance for staying upright as you can. The wear on the TKC in the front will be 10K+ miles if properly balanced (I use Dyna beads) and inflated. They do make a TKC80 to fit the rear but you will be lucky to get 5-6K miles on it. Not sure why but that's what I've seen. The K60 or the E07 rear will give you 10-12K easy. You now have my .02 hope it helps


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Heidenau K60 Scout? Just how bad is it in the rain? Does anyone have any thoughts? Everything the article said sounds great, except for it becoming a water ski in the rain.
Is it bad in the rain? Kinda. It's definitely the slickest rear I've ever had in the rain. I wouldn't call it dangerous but you really aren't gonna be scraping pegs in the rain with that tire.

That said I still freaking love the k60 as a rear. My current setup is a 120/90 17 (rear) tkc80 up front and 150/70 17 k60 in the back. At the moment they both have about 10,500 miles on them and easily have another 3,000 to go and still have great road manners. My setup before this was the same but with a 120/70 front. The 120/90 definitely slows down the steering but it is a lot more stable in the loose stuff. You do have to raise the fender though.

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Does it matter if you run a radial in the front and a bias ply in the rear?
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I have know earthly idea why you don't, but everyone says not to mix radial and bias. Either two radial or two bias. Someone smarter than me might be able to explain why.
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I'll check what's available in the stock size. I don't want to go bigger (except possibly the rear width). Looks like it's narrowed down. I didn't here anything about the Shinko 705's although I trust the members reviews as opposed to the big retailers. Thanks everyone! Go Pats by the way!!
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Does it matter if you run a radial in the front and a bias ply in the rear?
Mixing bias and radial tires has been done ... more often than one would imagine.

For example, in the UK, it is legal to run bias in the front, and radial at the rear. The opposite (what you have mentioned) is illegal.

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Years ago, back when radial motorcycle tires first hit the market, tire makers strongly advised riders not to mix radial and bias tires. Radials were new and offered significantly different handling characteristics than bias rubber, and neither the bike manufacturers nor the tire companies yet had enough model- and tire-specific data to predict how a combination of the two would affect the handling of any given motorcycle. So the best policy was to discourage mixng radials and bias tires.

Since then, radial technology has evolved dramatically, and the manufacturers have had years to develop a better understanding of the effects of mixing tire types. As a result, numerous production bikes, including two new models tested in this issue - the Harley-Davidson Rocker and the Yamaha Star Raider S - come from the factory equipped with a radial on the rear and a bias-ply tire on the front.


The Indian Chieftan and the Roadmaster run a E3 bias front tire and an E3 radial rear tire.

I have read somewhere that the OEM tires for the Triumph Bonneville and also the Thruxton are radial rear and bias ply front.

There are others but I'm not going to do an exhaustive search for them.

Note: I am not tempted to try it with my Versys but have done it a few times on my Honda Valkyrie without any negative effects. I was pleasantly surprised.

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I'll check what's available in the stock size. I don't want to go bigger (except possibly the rear width). Looks like it's narrowed down. I didn't here anything about the Shinko 705's although I trust the members reviews as opposed to the big retailers. Thanks everyone! Go Pats by the way!!
Most decent 17" ADV tires seem to be in the 150 size for the rear, I've seen some 160 stock sizes but they are limited. The front tire selection is VERY limited in any 17" application. There has been a few more added recently Vee Rubber I know added some. As for the Bias & radial combo, it's not ideal but very doable. Many have done it with no problem. Maybe total street high HP and MPH bikes it's probably a bigger deal.


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I run a bias 120/90 E705 front with a radial 150/70 E705 rear for what its worth.

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I have no earthly idea why you don't, but everyone says not to mix radial and bias....
THAT is a recommendation applying to CARS and other four-wheelers.
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Mixing bias ply with radial - on a bike you can put a radial on the rear and bias on the front, but not the other way around, due to differences in skew - Mixing Radials and Bias-Ply

Avon Trailriders have been getting good reviews recently as an adventure tour tire and come in stock sizes for the Versys. They also are a radial design for improved pavement performance and longer life.

Coming to the Versys from a bike that had bias ply tires, I am not a fan of them. Yes they have tougher sidewalls but they are less confidence inspiring. They are also less flexible and are a nightmare on grooved pavement or steel mesh bridges. Radials are a significant leap forward in tire technology, I'm not sure why someone would want to forgo the benifits of radial tires unless they were in a position where on road performance was irrelevant and off road toughness was the main concern.

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Some corrections from the start: you cannot fit a 120/80 or 90 without serious mod to the fender.
A 110/80 might fit, but I haven't found any model in 17".

You may live in flat land, and not have gnarly roads, but there is mud everywhere.

This below is not my experience but only my research as of today:

-TKC80 sucks for mileage (rear) and vibration (front). Not on the list at all for me.

-Shinko 805 (rear) (not 705! it's no typo) beats TKC80 in all but 1 aspect: it may slide a bit sideways.

-I have the k60 scout 150/70. I have not had any issue with the hydroplanning, but albeit the mileage, it squares and it has no grip to climb/brake unless you are leaning. It may be a bit useful in very soft terrain like mud of sand if the damn strip can be less of a factor. I don't like mine anymore.

-I have the heidenau k73 in front. Fair in packed dirt. Sucks big time on steel bridges and meaningless in mud (too small threads).

-If it wasn't from wanting more mud/sand grip, I would go for the mitas e-07 (rear). rounder, silent and good mileage.

-I will get a 150/70 Metzeller karoo3. it is like shinko 805 but even better mileage.

-I will get a shinko 705 as 120/70 front. It has a fair side grip judging by the threads shape. It is the only choice for front (I wouldn't bother with the pirelli MT60, I cannot get it and it's not getting good reviews.)

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Interesting thoughts dddd:

As for the TKC80 front vibration, proper balance is KEY. Dyna Beads are the only thing I've found that will do the trick. My bike is vibe free since I put them in.
E-07 Mileage IS great but mine has started to give out a nice little hum at around 6K miles. Not too bad but NOT silent, it was at first though. As for mud grip
I've had mine in some pretty thick stuff here in AK and Yukon Canada and it's done very well keeping forward progress and throwing rooster tails 30' in the air through the slop!!


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I guess I have some decisions to make. Definitely stock sizes and radials for sure. Thanks for all the great advice guys! I'm sure my wife will appreciate it also, as I'm making my bike MUCH safer?!!!!
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THAT is a recommendation applying to CARS and other four-wheelers.
Fair enough!
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...-I will get a 150/70 Metzeller karoo3. it is like shinko 805 but even better mileage.

-I will get a shinko 705 as 120/70 front. It has a fair side grip judging by the threads shape. It is the only choice for front (I wouldn't bother with the pirelli MT60, I cannot get it and it's not getting good reviews.)
I ran a TKC80 120/70 x 17 front here in AZ, and got 8,467 miles out of it (got 9,750 from the Kenda BIG BLOCK 150/70 rear). I also ran a TKC80 rear 150/70 from Anchorage to Kelowna, but it didn't last much longer than that.

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I'm currently running a tkc80 in 120/70/17 front and shinko 805 rear in 150/70/17 rear. About 5000km on them and the front is easily good for the season while the rear is about half cooked. For $128 canadian shipped to my door, I'm going to run another 805 when this one is done.
I do alot of gravel and trails that I shouldn't so traction is first priority, road manners and longevity are secondary considerations for me.

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Settled on and purchased 705's front and rear. I figure I'll be on the e-way the majority of the time and they seem to be a great all around tire especially for the money.
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