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Installed today. After 3 sets of Pilot Roads (3s & 4s) all of which went 16 - 17,000+ kms, I went for something with just a little bit of consideration for gravel roads. These Metz come in stock size and are listed as 90/10 which is pretty much the exact match for the time I split on asphalt/gravel roads. I hope to see the kind of milage I got from the PRs, time will tell.

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I got to try the new skins on some gravel today. It's not night and day, but I can confidently say they feel better in the dirt than the PR3s or PR4s ever did. I also rode several kilometers of grooved pavement under construction and I found that the Metz tracked better on that too.

I hope they get the same good long distance use, but so far, great tires!

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That damn grooved pavement drives me nuts around my place. I also think I ride about that 90/10 split. I hear nothing but good from several places that Metzlers are phenomenal tires. So, i'm certain that the 'Metz are in my future.
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Interested how much better they are on slime.

In order to give up the security I enjoy with PR4's on pavement, wet & dry,
I'd need something markedly better on a wet dirt road.

I have no hope for loose gravel. I don't venture off road but I live up a dirt road.
Tough in the rain.
I'd consider a tire switch to bookend the riding season, when my road
is most frequently slimy, maybe November & April (get me thru mud season here in NW VT).
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I took my 2012 out yesterday, which I just got. It only has the 1010 miles on it, so the tires are stock. The first thing I noticed was the bike did not behave on mountainous wet roads. The rear end tried to spin out once with even with me trying to drive conservatively. I would never be on gravel roads. What tire should I be using? I do live in the mountains.
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I took my 2012 out yesterday, which I just got. It only has the 1010 miles on it, so the tires are stock. The first thing I noticed was the bike did not behave on mountainous wet roads. The rear end tried to spin out once with even with me trying to drive conservatively. I would never be on gravel roads. What tire should I be using? I do live in the mountains.
So, curvy, hilly wet roads? I think you should check out Michellin Pilot Road 3 0r 4 tires. Great sport touring, long lasting and excellent wet characteristics. My 2 cents.

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So, curvy, hilly wet roads? I think you should check out Michellin Pilot Road 3 0r 4 tires. Great sport touring, long lasting and excellent wet characteristics. My 2 cents.
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I live in the heart of Appalachia, lots of twisties, lots of slab, some dirt and gravel, and I just switched to Shinko 705's. LOVING them, and they're cheap as hell. Full set shipped was ~$125. They also look sweet..

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Those look a LOT like Shinko 705's. But they do look awesome!
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I live in the heart of Appalachia, lots of twisties, lots of slab, some dirt and gravel, and I just switched to Shinko 009's. LOVING them, and they're cheap as hell. Full set shipped was ~$125. They also look sweet..
I priced the Michelins installed and the dealer wanted almost $500.
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Shinko 705's!






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I have the 705 120/90F 150/70R combo on the bike. Not sure if I will continue with these style tires or go to a stock size 90/10 like the Trail IIs or Tourance Next
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Sorry all, they're 705's. I was originally going to order the 009's and then changed my mind and went for the 705's.
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I priced the Michelins installed and the dealer wanted almost $500.
I pulled my wheels and had them mounted locally for a whopping $10 apiece, as far as home wrenching goes it's incredibly easy to do.
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That's a steal for mounting fees. I don't mind pulling mine off the bike (in fact I insist on it) and then driving them in with the car and carrying them in someplace to get mounted-up.

It's also that seasonal reminder for me why I am glad I have cast wheels now and NO TUBES. I was always diligent on replacing tubes and rim strips when I replaced tires on the KLR.

I don't miss that aspect at all. The 17" wheels (combined with the oversize Shinkos) work just fine for anything I run into, actually better- as the stock skinny tire of a KLR was prone to diving and dodging in sand.

The fatty 130 Shinko up front on the Versys is a superior experience for me, and I am not convinced I gave anything up in the handling or "fun" department when riding on blacktop.

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Dude's also an Amsoil dealer and, if you do buy the oil and the filter from him, he'll do the oil change for free. Not on the bike, unfortunately, but I'm looking at their Euro blend 25,000 mile for my Passat, and I can buy bike oil for about a 5% savings over the Mobil 4T I've been using, so...why not?

Totally lucked into him. His machine makes it super easy to do the tires, never seen one like it. Took him maybe 15 minutes to unmount and remount, and that included getting the 705 rear to re-bead, which was a bit of an issue at first.
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Update on how these compared to the PR4s?
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Update on how these compared to the PR4s?
So far so good.

I've put 2,380 kms on them. I have used them for the intended purpose: a combination of touring, day tripping and commuting with a split of paved road/gravel in the 90/10 range.

On gravel and grooved pavement they are notably better than the PR4s. The front end wobbles less and feels like it tracks straighter and steadier. I ride gravel at higher speeds than I did with the PR3s or 4s.

I rode several hundred kms in the rain. The Pilots were always great wet weather tires and I used them in plenty of heavy rain before. I did not observe any difference - better or worse - riding the Metz on the highway in rainfall.

As for any curvy stuff or good cornering, I still have more confidence in the PR4s. These Metzelers perform well, I'm able to get good leans, have not felt any loss of traction, but I don't feel as confident in curves as I did with the Pilots. They were rock solid in turns and the Metz do have a different feel as you go around a corner.

Tire wear seems good so far. I got really good mileage from all 3 sets of Pilots. I hope for similar results from the Metz as the tires were on par for cost.

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Update on how these compared to the PR4s?
As I understand it, a good quality sport tour tire is always going to grip better and feel more confidence inspiring on pavement because of the greater grip, stability and optimization for that environment. Tires like the Michelin PR4, Pirelli Angel GT and Metzeler Roadtec 08 and soon to be released Metzeler Roadtec 01.

Adventure class tires (90/10) like the Tourance Next and Pirelli Scorpion basically trade off a slight bit of on pavement feel and grip for better off pavement traction with deeper treads. If you always ride corners at the posted speed limit you'll probably never notice the reduced grip. They have better dirt road grip when new but as the tread wears away may not offer much improvement in off road traction compared to a sport tour tire, or it least that was my experience with the first generation Scorpion.

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^^ thanks. I do all my high speed corning on the track so most of my road riding tends be be pretty sedate.
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